Orlando Magic 114, Atlanta Hawks 71 or sweet mother Marry
by hawksdawgs on May 4, 2010 10:44 PM EDT
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There are losses and then there are losses and this was something beyond a loss. It is tough to write a recap that encompasses everyone who is to blame for 40 point loss. It would be worth a book (or at least a coach's job). I mean let's be serious. Anyone that roots for the Hawks let alone has an actual say in the outcome feels like an idiot right now. The Magic are better and the Hawks have serious faults and both truths were played out in such excruciating fashion that it took the hopeful thoughts so far out into killing zone that the fact that the Hawks still have three games to prove they are not the worst team in the history of second round playoffs it seems almost freeing. Almost.
We will all jump to our bias for the blame. I wanted to throw the refs under the bus until Atlanta took their non ball movement into a 20 point deficit. Logic existed that the Braves were at fault for this debacle, logic I actually considered So clearly we are all looking for blame and hope in some pretty obscure places. But within my own bias, I, of course, will focus on Mike Woodson.
I do not want to blame all 43 or even 20 of those points on Woody, but he came into this game scared, and I have never seen an underdog team on the road win a game where the coach's strategy was based in fear. Bringing Jason Collins off the bench to "take up fouls" is not a move that wins game, it is a move of survival, and the Hawks are not winning a game of survival. The day Mike Woodson realized that four on five is not an acceptable strategy at the end of quarter, in the playoffs, or on the rec gym floor is the day I endorse him as the future coach.
And on that note (not the survival one but the Woody is an idiot one), Mike Woodson just used his bench more against one of the deepest second units in the league. Seriously? Woody is many things. Eye brow shaver, foul out phobic, shit work proponent, but what he is not is a bench believer. Yet he brings out the preseason rotation for this game?
I do not mean to over exaggerate by saying it makes no sense, but it makes no sense.
The Hawks have serious issues moving forward. They have problems for this series and problems next year. None of the five positions are "no worry" issues, but Mike Woodson is solving none of them. Great coaches do not allow this type of game. Great coaches at least make their message of ball movement and team work relevant to the second unit. Great coaches figure out how to tell Josh Smith not to take jump shots.
The facts remain. Orlando is better, this was the worst, and the Hawks can win. Mike Woodson is the hope killer.
Go Hawks!
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Mike Woodson
“Change we cannot believe in”
Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995
by a hooter's baby on May 4, 2010 10:48 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone watching the post-game pressers
Can see one good coach, one bad coach.
One is quoting articles, stats, other coaches, tendencies and gameplans. The other is mumbling about how he thought his team came out with good energy and wanted to “take up fouls”.
You can decide which was which.
I love the bench analysis...
it is exactly the sort of adjustment absolutely no one wanted from Woodster.
Okay, here's the list of people we can blame who aren't really to blame
The Mayans.
Santa Claus.
Troy Glaus.
Carlos Silva.
Christian Bale.
G.R.R. Martin.
Brandon Roy.
Hakeem Olajuwon.
Charles Barkley.
Chipper Jones.
George W. Bush.
Gerald Ford.
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
Alfred Lord Tennyson.
Pearl S. Buck.
T.S. Eliot.
John Wilkes Booth.
The EPA.
Conan O’Brien.
Jose Lima.
Michael Vick.
Dan Quayle.
by Bronn on May 4, 2010 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I blame FEMA for not seeing this disaster coming
Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995
by a hooter's baby on May 4, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
it's always her fault
Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995
by a hooter's baby on May 4, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Here he is
Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995
by a hooter's baby on May 4, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i think we need Mr. Wolf.
You called the Wolf?
That’s all you had to say!
What about Mark Wohlers?
It’s his fault, I’m sure.
I was fortunate enough to have an opposite Braves experience
…saw the 92 Sid Bream slide.
THAT’S who we need.
Only other game I caught that year was the 1-0 win against the Pirates in the regular season
or was it 2-1?—saved by the Otis Nixon catch over the wall.
But i tried to work the old magic in ‘99 and saw the Braves get f’ing pasted in game 2 against the Yankees.
Score was 114-71, I think.
It felt the same, that's for sure.
Gave up about the second inning and just started playing drinking games with the children in the row in front of us…
Yes, it was bad.
I was...ahem...in college.
And I remember it like it was yesterday.
Oh well…Leyritz got his in the end. (ouch…I know)
I was already well out of college, you kids.
By the time Wohlers served it up, anyway.
It's Eric Gregg's fault too
Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995
by a hooter's baby on May 4, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If you don't have Twitter, that's freaky.
Hawksdawgs made an Eric Gregg joke earlier and it was classic and sad that I knew it exactly when he posted it.
thats some freaky ish
Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995
by a hooter's baby on May 4, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh hell yes.
And that fat-ass pitcher for the Marlins—what’s his name again? Him too.
Yeah, thanks.
Since we’re on the Braves, I want to add Kenny Lofton to the list. THat f***er didn’t do jack until he left and then he was big star again as soon as got out of town,
Let's just blame Mookie, Smitty, and Deke for all getting old
That team didn’t have the talent this team has, but they never got completely out-classed like this either.
Damn straight
no way Deke would have put up with this crap.
1999 was one of the weaker efforts I have seen.
Even a team that played Tyrone Corbin many minutes was better than this.
Somewhere
Alan Henderson’s goggles are fogging up
Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995
by a hooter's baby on May 4, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That team not only started Tyrone Corbin
But Grant Long as well. And they still made the second round of the playoffs.
1) They had nobody of JJ’s caliber on that team.
2) They had nobody with J-Smoove’s athleticism.
3) They had nothing close to a Jamal Crawford 6th man.
4) Marvin Williams >>>>> Tyrone Corbin.
And still they never got beaten down like this, even though they played in the same era as Jordan’s Bulls.
If I remember correctly
A team starting Blair Rassmussen at center took a game 1 from the Bulls in Chicago.
Top that, historian boy.
Now that I think about it, that may have been regular season.
I am hoping I am right though.
(Not looking this up to preserve my faith in my feeble brain)
Pretty sure that never happened.
Still, I have to bow to your greatness when you break out a Blair Rasmussen reference anyway.
As Woody clearly needs to bow to the greatness that was Lenny Wilkins.
Want to know my psychoses?
I am recalling a 100-99 win in the regular season. At the buzzer. On a Rassmussen jumper from the elbow. I have issues.
And we lost that year in the PLAYOFFS (what?) to the Bulls in 3 games.
1992-93
That lard ass just beat the Braves again today
Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995
by a hooter's baby on May 4, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He's so dreamy
Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995
by a hooter's baby on May 4, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Livan Hernandez
It’s not at all his fault. All he did was refuse to throw strikes all night. Eric Gregg was the man waving his right arm any time the catcher actually caught the ball.
I never should have donated to McCain/Palin.
This is karma coming to life and kicking me in the balls.
Yes, his fault too
He’s played two character in the past three years who knew the future, and neither of them prevented this.
Cheering for the Hawks is a lot like being his Leaving Las Vegas character, i think
…it’s drining ourselves to death, no doubt. One bottle at a time. You just know it wll not end well.
But we don't get to bang Elisabeth Shue.
Instead we got banged by Andrew Shue.
(Melrose Place joke, y’all!)
Cold=Hawks fandom.
Warm and fuzzy is for Lakers fans.
Let Go Guys
Let Joe walk, trade Marvin for anybody, even Turkgulo or Noiconi and just take your bumps, because we are going nowhere
I'd like some brains.
But I don;t think they have those either.
At this point a bunch of trained chimps could do as well as the Hawks.
Who’s bringing the bananas for game 2?
Especially if you put the bananas in the right places on the floor
Get Danny Ainge in here. He’d do it, if he does that whole towel thing!
I'd love to dig through the archives
And find the last time the Hawks played “smart basketball.”
I’m sure it happened sometime during their winning streak to start the season. That seems so long ago.
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honestly, i thought the magic would take this...
i even thought it would be a convincing win…but my god i never expected what took place tonight. that was brutal.
The strategy for the Hawks to win is simple
Just keep the game close then in the last few seconds Joe Johnson should get the ball go for the game winner , miss and here comes the good part Josh Smith crashes the rebound and dunks it for the win at the buzzer.
Me Against The World And I'm Winning
I F'n LOVE Steve Holman. Firing up the whiskey!
@RealVoiceofHawk: Ok. So I was wrong about my feeling tonight. It is just 1 game. We need to treat it that way. Now, a big Maker’s and bed!
You wrote, "It is tough to write a recap that encompasses everyone who is to blame for 40 point loss.", then proceeded to focus entirely on blaming one person.
I know how much you love to point out Woodson for Hawks’ losses, and certainly, as the coach, He must shoulder a fair share of the blame. That being said, He was not the one that stood around in the second quarter, heaving bricks to the tune of 29% shooting.
The analysis by the TNT crew, during the game, was awful. Anyone who gave credit to the Magic’s defense for the score in this game, either didn’t watch the game, doesn’t understand the game, or more likely, shows the usual bias of anyone outside of Atlanta’s own media people. By contrast, the studio crew (Barkley and Smith) got things mostly correct.
Let me explain, no, no that will take to long, let me sum up. The shorter turn around for the Hawks was no excuse, and standing around, watching each other jack up long jumpers will result in exactly the result we saw. Josh was having a solid game, that was hampered by foul trouble, meaning that the other players needed to take up the slack while He was sitting.
One bright spot you should have enjoyed, Zaza had a very good game, and I can see no way to point the blame thrower at Him.
will result in exactly the result we saw.
will result in exaclty what we saw
My kingdom for an edit button!
by RamblininAlb on May 5, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
....That was exactly his point
There’s too many people to blame, so he admits his bias and focuses his wrath primarily on Mike Woodson. He admits that he’s being biased, but Drew told you exactly what to expect.
At what point is the coach responsible for getting the players to do what they are supposed to do?
This team has been together for the better part of four seasons as a cast of mostly the same players, withe the same coach. Why do they not yet understand what to do in this situation?
How has the coach allowed the players to believe this approach is acceptable?
Why is it Scott Skiles can get his team to follow a plan, but Woody cannot get his to follow one?
It’s funny because we can’t say whether the Hawks were actually following a game plan or not. There’s no evidence that one actually existed, with the exception of the decision to double down on Howard in the post. The Hawks might have executed the game plan flawlessly, for all I know, but I suspect there was never one to begin with. No idea how to score on this Magic team. The offense will take care of itself, as long as you only need 70ish points.
If the next game is even close to this...
I have a few jokes ready to go. I really don’t want to use them, Hawks. Play well!
Quick Qustions..
If the Thrashers were shipped out of ATL would the Hawks payroll go up?
I saw we are 22nd in payroll in the league at a little over 65 mil. The next closest team still in the playoffs is the Jazz ranking 10th at a little over 74 mil. I was just thinking that if we had a little more money to spend we might be able to nab some free agents or get some bigger names in trades and have a team that can push towards a SHIP. Tid bit: Orlando payroll: a little over 82 mil.
Short answer: No
The ASG refuses to go into the luxury cap for any reason and I have seen little evidence that suggests they would do so in the future. They flat out refuse to use the D-League to fill the current roster even though it would cost very little to do so. They have ownership issues and they are losing close to $50 mil a year on both the Hawks and the Thrashers, so it’s not just the Thrashers that is limiting them. In fact, with the way they run these two organizations, I’m willing to bet they are having issues with all of their other ventures. Frankly, this group had no business even attempting to own and run a professional sports franchise, much less two of them.
I just don’t feel like anything would change. This team is a reflection of it’s ownership in that it is what it is and it will remain so until major parts are changed. The ASG are so scared of losing more money that they are willing to lock this current team in for the next five years in hopes of sucking as much money out of playoff appearances as possible, even if that means we will never make it out of the second round. Until something up top changes, this team will not change.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
Is Belkin still one of the owners?
I remember that big brouhaha with the owners back when Joe Johnson was signed, but I didn’t really keep up with the story.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
Yes
Belkin still has his majority ownership, but he has essentially been removed from any and all business decisions. Without looking up all the details, it essentially boiled down to a judge basically telling them all to wipe the slate and start over regarding the buyout process. The last I heard they are supposed to be negotiating on a financial group to assess the true value of the organizations (Hawks/Thrashers/Philips Arena) so as to determine the value of Belkins share of ownership. At that point, they should begin negotiating a buyout of Belkin.
How much the supposed rumor of them shopping the Thrashers plays a role I’m not sure of. What I am sure of however, is that this is something that will not go away quickly and we should, for the time being, come to accept as if there’s one thing that should have something done about and never will, it’s the ownership. It’s something that we as fans will just have to operate under, much like any GM and/or coach would.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
A WTF Moment! Woody Wuznt Even Mad...Maybe Kuz He Was So...Surprised!!!
Watchin' Bobby Cox Turn Falcon Red Since 1991...
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by Dirtybyrdatl4life on May 5, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions
this was beyond bad but
you knew in the backof your mind the Hawks could get run out of the bldg. I didn’t think by so much but, the team quit in the 3rd. So as bad as it looks I was more upset with the game 5 loss in rd 1 than this loss. This was just embarassing, that’s why it hurts. I won’t ax Woody over this one, but I’m putting all my eggs into the next game. Coach needs to go with his plan to use up fouls and get Howard in foul trouble. get him 4 fouls in the 1st half and then change the game plan to penetrate, no fadeaways, or jumpers..go right at the rim with Marvin, Josh, Al
The problem is that it didn't even work
If the plan was to get Howard into foul trouble, it never worked. In fact, iirc, he only had one fould at the half. So, exactly what did we gain from this strategy? Was it to save Horford from foul trouble? That didn’t work either because he only had one foul. The only thing it did was give us a bunch of team fould early so that they were shooting in the bonus earlier than normal.
If the strategy is to simply throw guys at him to collect fouls, then I’m confused as to how that is supposed to help us win this series.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
They quit in the 2nd after the non-goaltend call
It’s over…I’m done for the year.
49er and ATL Hawks fan since '86, Braves fan since '90, Bama fan since birth.
Do I dare watching game 2?
Van Gundy said there’s been plenty of times in the playoffs that teams have gone from blowout wins to losses in the next game. Is this even possible?
Yes
See Heat vs Hawks last year. Every single game was a blowout.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
The Magic aren't that good....
Key points:
Magic sat in zone all game.
We missed open jumpers all game.
We were afraid to attack the basket.
Poor Refs (honorable mention)
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In this series we need more TEAGUE! He was the ONLY GUARD we had who attacked the basket. Yes, he was blocked. Who cares. Keep at it. Force the issue. We also need someone to make Jameer work on the other side of the ball.
Wow.
If the Magic aren’t that good, yet beat your team by 43 points. What on earth does that say about your team?
i think LA26 is says no way Magic are 43 points better
And pointing out some details on areas Hawks can do better. He does not mean to say Magic are not good. Don’t be so sensitive
i don't think he is sensitive
he was just waiting for a chance to attack
well said....
he was lurking and found a potential spot to drop his 2 cents.
I stated facts behind my reasoning. There was no slight given either way.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but only one time this season did the Hawks play the Magic not off a back-2-back. And in that game we defensively neutered VC, and Dwight was a non-factor(i.e Josh Smith GW’ing dunk as reference.)
And since other Magic fans may be lurking waiting to attack as well. Almost only counts in two things in life…..Horseshoes & Hand grenades.
Let's all figure out how the hawks beat this team
with similar players, before this recent string of events, say before they beat us by double digits everytime. Have these players gotten that much better than when we used to beat them?
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
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