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How Switching Removes the Hawks' Greatest Advantages

After the Hawks blocked 19 shots in two games in Atlanta, they produced only 7 blocks in the two games played in Milwaukee.  While blocked shots don't completely encapsulate a defensive performance, there's clearly a trend here.  The Hawks' interior defense was absolutely dominating during the first two games in this series, forcing the Bucks to make shots out on the perimeter in order to score at all.  The threat of Josh Smith looming on the help side checked the aggressiveness of Jennings and Salmons, keeping from driving to the hole.  For every Block in those first two games, there was another shot altered and missed as a result of the close-out defense.

What changed?  As much as the Hawks try to convince you otherwise, it's more than just effort.  Ignoring game 3 for a moment, during game 4 (in which they blocked only 2 shots) your Hawks were doing their damned best to stay in front of Jennings defensively, and weren't up to the task.  The Bucks simply executed a better offensive strategy, utilizing screens on the perimeter to force the Hawks into a switch.  I'm not going to pretend that Kurt Thomas was not setting borderline illegal screens every other trip down the floor for the Bucks, but the Hawks still played directly in the Bucks' hand by sacrificing interior defense for more help on the perimeter.  The problem with switching on every single screen is that, over a 7 game series, a team has plenty of opportunities to get past the novelty and gain practice attacking it.

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There are circumstances where switching is absolutely necessary.  If there's a really good pick, you switch instantly to prevent a good shooter from having an open look at the basket.  You prevent open threes by letting the screener's man close out on the ball handler, and it helps against the pick and roll because both players are immediately accounted for.  It also puts you in a good position to trap if you find a more marginal passer and ball handler.  And knowing when the switch is on helps prevent the offensive player from faking into the screen and driving past his man while he's tangled up.

Switching on every screen is a bit problematic.  It means that the offensive team does not need to set a particularly good screen in order to force a switch.  This allows them to dictate their own match-ups with relative ease; guards aren't going to fight through screens, and the quickest players on the floor can pick who they want to attack.  We've seen this repeatedly.  Horford actually has great lateral quickness for his size, and he forced Jennings into some tough shots.  Josh Smith is a bit more lacking in lateral quickness, even though he's good straight ahead speed.  This isn't a significant problem for the Hawks, though, because both Smith and Horford do as well, or even better, at staying in front of the Bucks' guards as the Hawks' guards.  In a lot of ways, the Bucks are missing out on the big bonus of this strategy by failing to repeatedly switch their bigs onto Bibby.

The big problem is the secondary effect: the help defense.  When Jennings is driving and he's got Joe Johnson in front of him, Josh Smith is lurking on the help side to block his shot.  And if it's not Josh Smith, it's Al Horford, who's a very good shot blocker in his own right.  When you can set a pair of screens and get both of them out of the paint (they don't have to be on-ball screens; the Hawks will switch on off-ball movement as well) then the help is coming from JJ or Crawford or Bibby, who are not great help defenders.  That's a huge drop off from having Josh Smith lurking in the paint, arguably the best help defender in the Association.  And when JJ is initially on Jennings, he ends up mostly eliminated from helping as well since he's switched out high on the screener, out of position to come down and help.  He's much preferable to Crawford or Bibby as a help defender-essentially non factors

What the "Switch every screen" strategy seems to be aimed at is keeping players from having to think too much.  When Woody was coaching a much younger team, it might have been best to get them switching on every screen to avoid complete lapses.  Guys like Smith and Marvin, who were very raw (but extremely talented) players when they entered the NBA had one less thing that they'd need to learn to do.  Instead of learning how to read the screen to see if would dislodge the primary defender, and to determine what position they needed to be in, they simply had to build the reflex of popping out on the switch.  It might help serve to smooth the transition for players making a huge jump from prep ball to starting on an NBA roster.

I can't say with any certainty if this is where the idea originated, or if Woody had such a motivation for implementing it.  We've looked at it in the past and seen how it can lead to lazy feet sometimes when there's a switch with minimal movement involved.  That certainly hasn't been the case this series, as the Bucks are getting their switch and then very quickly forcing the action by driving into the paint.  Two screens to get Horford and Smith on the perimeter, and they've greatly reduced the threat of having a shot blocked or altered in the paint.  I can't criticize the job that Horford and Smith are doing on the perimeter because Jennings and Salmons have made some really tough floaters in the last two games, and asking the pair of them to guard 4 players is stretching their capabilities.

What I would love to see from Woodson in game 5 is to actually play some zone defense.  Maybe an entire game worth of zone defense.  It should help force the Bucks into taking more jumpshots, which has not at all been their strength in this series.  It also helps cover up some of the gap in quickness on the perimeter by forcing the Bucks to attack spots instead of specific players.  Normally, this is not recommended against a team like the Bucks, who lack an interior offensive presence that they want to work through.  It limits some of the mismatches, which can be detrimental to the better team.  But the mismatches on the perimeter are more costly, and having our best help defenders in the appropriate position should really help disrupt the lay-up drill we saw during the quarters 2 and 3 of Game 4.

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yeah I agree

what if at times Woody would go with a Crawford, Evans, JJ, Smith/Marvin, Horford line up.
That way the switching isn’t so bad, and as long as Jamal commits to rotating over. Like last night i think he was the one who left delfino open in the corner, after he had already hit several 3’s. He was close enough to recover but hesitated…..let Jennings penetrate just don’t let delfino, and Salmons get going……but one of the issues is the Bucks are truly playing with no fear. They are taking shots that no team would normaly take, but they feel they have nothing to lose.

by Cmart34 on Apr 27, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Hoopinion posted a great link breaking it down in photos

Crawford went to help and and Horford backed off a little bit. Delfino was left wide open in the corner. Jamal was in no-man’s land; he could either have trapped on Jennings and disrupted him, or stayed on his man, and he did neither.

Of course, another option would have been to let Jamal pick up Jennings, Horford to flash out on Thomas, and for JJ to rotate around to Delfino. At first I thought that was what they were trying to do, but instead JJ stayed with Kurt while Horford essentially guarded nobody.

by Bronn on Apr 27, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's the play !!!!

exactly make a choice do something!!! either jump all over Jennings and hope for a bad pass or rotate back over……the last thing I was thinking was “oh he will miss that open three” after he was hitting those shots already

by Cmart34 on Apr 28, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is my biggest beef with Woody

I actually like Woody as a coach, but this is what kills me. Instead of my big men being close to the basket, not just the threat of a block, but also rebounding, we are running after perimeter players. And in BJ, deer have one of the fastest players if not the fastest in NBA.

Lion running after Nash out there in Perimeter is one thing, running after BJ is a joke. That is just not possbile for him or Smoove or Zaza.

Yes another problem is the novelty of switching defense.
I also saw a problem last night where Smoove was going for steals. He needs to not commit to doing that, as the deer were burining us on those moves when they had one less threat.

Also, switching defense in my opinion actually makes the big men more tired. They have to run out there too much. Last night, was not because of lack of effort. How many big men want to run after a point guard. They much rather fight and push a big man.

Yes a dead horse this is, Woody will not change, that is the unfortunate thing, it is too late for this team to change for this year. All we can do, is give this team enough energy at home, so they can fight on perimeter and run back with the additional energy and defend their own basket. This to me is the biggest issue I have strategy wise with Woody.

by ATLpaul on Apr 27, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

I think it tires out the big men while saving the guards, to an extent. Guards should, theoretically, have fresher legs for the end of the game since they’re not fighting through screens. Not that the bigs are fighting through screens either, but they have to keep pace with guys much smaller. I don’t care that Horford is super athletic; there’s 250 pounds of him chasing around 169 pounds worth of Brandon Jennings. He’s having to do a lot of work.

by Bronn on Apr 27, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zone

Okay I’m on board to try zone as well.
So do we need to put this in the form of a petition and have it sent to Woody or what?

by frootbooty on Apr 27, 2010 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Teague

Gee if only the Hawks had a quick guard they could use to guard Jennings or Salmon and allow Horford and Smith to stay around the paint. Seems like it would have been a good idea to draft such a player last summer and give him significant minutes during the season so he’d be ready for the playoffs….

by redwards95 on Apr 27, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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by acie4mvp on Apr 27, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woodson can’t be expected to play a rookie. No NBA coach in their right mind would play a rookie. They’re unreliable, can’t make shots, tenative and simply don’t comprehend the pro game.

by SilverRubicon on Apr 27, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

See...

Tyreke Evans, Darren Collison, Marcus Thornton, Steph Curry…

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 28, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Apr 28, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

and oh another.........

The guy who’s killing us. Brandon Jennings!!!!

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Apr 28, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Woodson could stop Brandon Jennings… by coaching (and not playing) him!

by SilverRubicon on Apr 28, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Woody played Horford 2 years ago….

by redwards95 on Apr 28, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

But he didn’t like it.

by SilverRubicon on Apr 28, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

The infamous switching defense

In theory, it’s a great scheme. The problem in a 7 game series, it can turn into a nightmare. Of course Skiles would try to exploit this during the series, what good coach wouldn’t? I was really hard on the frontcourt last night, but you’re right when you say they expend the most energy having to make up for the back court’s errors. I was also thinking about the man to man defense. Do we let Bibby/Crawford continue to get beat off the dribble or do we switch and create the mismatch which in turns get our bigs into foul trouble. I just don’t understand why there’s no in game adjustments or better yet, game to game adjustments. How many times can Nique say that it’s not wise to have your bigs on a quick PG? He may as well had screamed it over the intercom. I don’t know if Woody is stubborn or just downright incompetent. Either way the cat has been let out of the bag and our dirty laundry has been exposed in the worst way at the worst possible time. Laughing stock on the NBA…..downright disgrace with the amount of talent on this team. What the hell is Teague for? I would put money on the fact that he could beat BJ in a foot race. Again, no in game adjustments. BIbby was read hot in the first half. How did Skiles counter? He put Ridnour on him and that cooled him for a while. All I ask is that Woody do his job.

Bet it hit the rim!

by dstdeelite on Apr 27, 2010 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Good Work Bronn

thanks for pointing out Thomas was setting come bad screens, I thought I was the only one that noticed it

So throwed that Randy Moss jumpin up couldn't even catch it

by Throw on Apr 27, 2010 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

The Hawks certainly noticed it

But what can you do? It’s not like the Hawks were going to fight through them anyway-switching is their philosophy. It’s surprising that they even bothered to get mad about it.

Horford sets some moving screens too, and he gets away with it sometimes, but he wasn’t getting away with as much as Kurt Thomas did last night.

by Bronn on Apr 27, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is the playoffs

You are supposed to play hard, fight around the screens, and put someone on their butt if they keep messing with you. I was disappointed to see Al did not respond physically to Thomas.

The only time I saw a Hawk fight physically in last game was JJ putting I think BJ on his butt on a drive. Now my star shouldn’t be the one doing that, but it seems like our front line did not really want to fight Thomas. Tonight we need to fight like our lives are at stake not be all cool

by ATLpaul on Apr 28, 2010 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

when skiles coached the bulls to 49 wins one of the great fears was when the opponent

would use a zone (usually in the 3rd quarter) and stifle the bulls offense terribly. i see no reason why it wouldnt have similar success against this bucks team.

there is something awesome about Pargo, though.
Seriously. It’s kind of awe inspiring: he WILL shoot. He has no conscience. No remorse. He will shoot – the situation, the opponent, the country. He could be in zero gravity floating in orbit. The dude would be jacking up shots. And missing.

-MPG

by TheMoon on Apr 28, 2010 1:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I would never ever play zone

Personally i think Zone in NBA does not work. Even the worst teams from a shooting perspective, have too many good shooters, and a Zone will just not get to them fast enough. Also too many good penetrating guards. It is good from a shock value viewpoint for a few minutes, but i never play zone. Simple Man to man is the way to go. but it won’t happen. Hawks are too conditioned to switch at this stage to change their ways.

by ATLpaul on Apr 28, 2010 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Bucks’ shooters were pretty bad in the regular season. I’d take my chances on their shooters not making enough shots vs a zone defense over the epic fail of what went on with the always switching in games 3 and 4.

by redwards95 on Apr 28, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hypothetical but

I believe a 2-3 or a 1-3-1 would work well against the bucks. The 2-3 clogs the lane and keeps Horf, Smoove, and Marv down low where they can box out and grab rebounds possibly mitigating the offensive rebounds which have been huge for the deer. Of course this hinges on the ability of our guards to cover and/or trap Jennings effectively. The 1-3-1 would clog the lane as well, while allowing for a trap on the corner 3 point attempt. This would hinge on Smoove’s ability and willingness to switch from one wing to the other on rotations. What do ya’ll think?
In reality it hardly matters because I do not expect a last second addition to the defensive playbook from Woody.

J-J-J-J Joe JOHNSON for 3!

by greggt2 on Apr 28, 2010 2:35 AM EDT reply actions  

An effective zone could work wonders with NBA length and quickness...

if it was done properly, it could force all teams to rely on jumpers.

But I think the Hawks biggest advantage is just being better. Brandon Jennings is quicker than Bibby, but that’s about all he’s got. Joe > Salmons, Marvin is physically superior to Delfino, Smooth and Horford are both >>> Thomas and Mbah Mboute. Switching allows the Bucks to dictate matchups, where if we simply played every one straight up, we’d always have the upper hand.

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 28, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

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