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Atlanta Hawks playoff primer via the big time media

I think this spring could be the last stand for the Rejuvenated Atlanta Hawks

And here's why: Joe Johnsonis getting max money this summer to play in Chicago, New Jersey, New York, Clipperland or wherever. He's irreplaceable for Atlanta obviously. Assuming Josh Childressreturns from his Greek exile, that gives them Childress, Josh Smith, Al Horford, Jamal Crawford, Marvin "I Look Worse As a No. 2 Pick Each Season" Williams, Zaza Pachulia, Zaza Pachulia's bacne, and Mike Bibby's chalk outline next season. That's a 42-win team. The window is right now. They can absolutely make the 2010 Eastern Finals ... and then get swept, but still. The Eastern Finals!

I don't read Bill Simmons to be informed anymore. Josh Childress is almost certainly not returning to the Hawks. The Marvin Williamsmeme is not only played out, but he was actually getting better each year until this one, and well, there is actually no analysis here. Just possibilites followed by an opinion.

Still, I think this is where most national media stand on the Hawks (well, maybe not the Eastern Finals part) and at least Simmons presents it in an entertaining format.

On the complete other end of the spectrum, I love John Schuhmann of NBA.com. I think he makes stats easy to understand and pertinent to understanding teams better. He looked at the top five man units with more than 100 plus mintues for each playoff team. Here are the Hawks.

Starting Lineup, Best Defensive Lineup:Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Josh Smith, Al Horford
Min: 1,172, Off: 106.4, Def: 100.7, Diff: +5.8

Even though the Hawks' starters played a ton of minutes together, their numbers don't reflect the team's overall numbers very closely. For a team that ranked 14th defensively overall, the Hawks have a strong defensive starting unit.

Best Overall Lineup, Best Offensive Lineup:Jamal Crawford, Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Josh Smith, Al Horford
Min: 356, Off: 116.9, Def: 104.5, Diff: +12.4

Crawford played more than twice as many fourth-quarter minutes than Bibby this season (864 to 397), and there's no secret why. Crawford may be a bad defender, but Bibby isn't much better. And Crawford gives the Hawks a lot more on the offensive end of the floor. Of all the Eastern Conference units that played at least 100 minutes together, this one was the best offensively.

Still, if you replace Williams with Bibby, you get a lineup that's just as potent, scoring 116.4 points per 100 possessions, but not as good on the defensive end, allowing 105.7. Bibby and Crawford together in the backcourt is not a combination Hawks fans want to see for a key defensive possession.

Moral of the story, every time you see Bibby and Jamal playing at the same time, get mad at Mike Woodson. Every time you see Bibby and Jamal playing at the same time in the fourth quarter get raging mad.

Finally, Bethlehem Shoals previews the playoff seriesand offers this nugget that should satisify both the Joe hater and the Joe apologist in all of us. Salary being manageable of course.

Joe Johnsonis unrestricted this summer; Ziller has him rankedas #7 overall in the class. You'd think this would be a big deal, especially with Mike D'Antoni coaching the Knicks, D'Antoni being the first coach to believe in Johnson, and the Knickslooking to do something with their cash once the top few pass them by. But this is Joe Johnson, people. If ever there was a player, and personality, who seemed tailor-made for the "I just want to finish my career in Atlanta", it's JJ. That the team no longer relies on him in isolations so much also makes him a wiser long-term investment than he would be otherwise. A twenty-nine year-old shooter/scorer isn't such an attractive proposition, but with reinforcements like Jamal Crawford around, Johnson can now show that he can do more than dribble and force shots. I will call him Penny Soft and Lite here and regret it forever. Oh, and he's never been so reliant on physical ability, which makes aging not such a big deal. I hope you enjoyed this Joe Johnson update.

Lots of playoff stuff coming later in the day.

UPDATE (THHB):

More and more playoff previews are coming through (thank you NBA for stretching an already long playoff season to begin four days after the season ends. Well done.)

NBATV used Rick Kamla, Dennis Scott, and Chris Webber to preview our matchup with the Bucks.

Whatifsports.com drops a winning simulation scenario for the Birds in Round 1. Very cool.

The THHB team lent their knowledge out to Hoops Addict and The No Look Pass for a Hawks preview.

We'll link more as we see them---Go Hawks!

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I’m thinking we need a moratorium on Joe free agency talk until the Hawks are eliminated. Let’s worry about how Joe plays in the playoffs. There’s plenty of time to debate re-signing him in June and July.

by redwards95 on Apr 16, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

As someone who has previously purveyed the Joe talk...

…I agree—we’ve said our piece when it was relevant, now it’s playoff time—-let’s go Hawks!

by The Human Highlight Blog on Apr 16, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

although in fairness

i posted the Simmons one because I find it odd that, with three starters and a hopeful new PG starter next year, all 23 and under, that the window would be only this year.

by hawksdawgs on Apr 16, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's because Simmons isn't the brightest...

and doesn’t generally know what he’s talking about.

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 16, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

guess he forgot

that both al and josh have yet to hit their full potential, and along with jeff teague we have more than enough talent to keep us relevant for more than just this year or next, its a very bright future in the ATL!

by CoxXx on Apr 16, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anything less

than a sweep is a failure in this series and no one is sweeping the Hawks this year

by Truthspitter on Apr 16, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t say that. The Hawks are not a good road team, so they figure to drop at least one game in Milwaukee. Anything more than 5 games in this series would raise questions though.

by redwards95 on Apr 16, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

they should sweep

It’s time for this team to take the next step to being a title contender. They should sweep this team and have a real chance to make it to the ECF. This is the year to go from being “non title contender” to a contender. I know there are still some players to be added but the talent is there. And I don’t see Joe leaving unless its to play with Wade….just a guess

by Cmart34 on Apr 16, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

well any Skiles coached team will play tough

so a sweep will be surprising, finish them in five is pleasent, finish them in six max, finish them in seven and i be upset.

by ATLpaul on Apr 16, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marvin

Just think about if Marvin was Carmelo or Durant or Granger. Marvin is a curse to this franchise. He is the worse person they could have choosen

by Truthspitter on Apr 16, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

ouch

that draft was kind of weak anyway. We did good to get Marvin. Who did you want Sean May??

by Cmart34 on Apr 16, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

at this point Marvin has certainly not played up to his potential this year and may have regressed

But he does provide value, but i am not sure if role needs to be a starter or off the bench. Regardless, let’s be behind the men and wait till after the games to pick on them

by ATLpaul on Apr 16, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not the players fault where they get drafted

Once you accept that you’ll be able to move on.

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Apr 19, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

That first post by Simmons is stupid

I mean here is a team that has improved every year, how is this guy proclaiming this as the last year of the improvement? There is no doubt we are not as good as Orlando and Cavs, but with small tuning, this team can easily win the east if not this year, but in the next few years.

That post is like all the writers who did not think Hawks were good enough to win 50 games or be better positioned that 4th. Now where are they???

by ATLpaul on Apr 16, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

You're absolutely correct

I would love to read those preseason speculations right now. I would love to see where the predicted the Hawks finishing this year. I’d guess they didn’t think it would be 3rd seed in the East.

Bet it hit the rim!

by dstdeelite on Apr 16, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

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