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New York Knicks 99, Atlanta Hawks 98 or depressing like meth ads

Shockingly, the Hawks just got beat. I don't mean that the fact that they lost was shocking. They already lost twice to the Knicks. Losing to New York is like breathing for this team. I mean it is shocking the Hawks just got beat. Period. That "don't try and lay the ball up with a half second to go ever again" block on Josh Smith summed it up. The Knicks were better. All the predictable faults were there for Atlanta, all things we have grown accustom to laundry list after losses, the ball movement, inability to get the ball inside, questionable shot selection, an inability to disguise poor defenders, and of course, the coaching left something to be desired, but in the end, the Knicks beat the Hawks because they were the better team.

That should bring some cold, hard truth to Hawks fans and players. At least truth to how this team is playing right now. If you want to point out Bibby or Jamal's poor night as an excuse, the Knicks missed 9 of 11 shots in the final 5:26 with three turnovers. The Knicks didn't play well at the most important time and the Hawks had nothing. And that my friends, that is the sign of not being a good team. Is it March? Yes. Could things change before the playoffs? Certainly. But the Hawks don't even know how to perform a simple entry pass to the post. (Name the last time Josh, Joe, or Al got the ball in deep.) They have Josh Smith taking six jump shots in a game. Woody take three minutes to adjust to the Knicks playing Al Harrington at center. The team guard four players, at most, every possession. It is ugly. And if the jumpers don't fall, any team in the league can beat them.

Hope is there, but right now figuring out where to grasp on to it sure ain't easy.

Go Hawks!

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I love this team. I do.

Tonight was like having a bad argument. Tomorrow, it’s in the past and you forget what you were fighting about.

by Duff_Man on Mar 8, 2010 10:27 PM EST reply actions  

if i forget about this argument

i am going to have a tough time explaining the destroyed kitchen cabinets to my wife tomorrow.

by hawksdawgs on Mar 8, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Although admittedly

I have no wife and nobody to answer to. So I thought the wolverine up to appease my own guilt.

by Duff_Man on Mar 8, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

there is no ball movement

no set plays at all
everything is iso to one guy. Then they face up, and try to score.

Where are Marvin and Bibby?
and Why is Jamal taking 8 3s? And a few of them were wide open ones too and they weren’t close at all.

by DirtyBird90 on Mar 8, 2010 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

Progress

Is when you realize your mistakes, learn from them, and don’t do them anymore. For some reason, when the hawks lose, they don’t believe they made mistakes that they themselves must correct. Some of this can’t just fall on Woodson ( I’m starting to believe now) this CRAP has to fall on the so called leaders of this team. I love the Hawks, but they can’t come up with this “Our shots didn’t fall” B.S. everytime they lose.

The Hawks can’t guard the shooters. Just can’t…can’t get a hand in their face….Don’t take pride in defending the driver. What have the Hawk veterans been doing all this time with the czar of defense Mike Woodson? I guess I feel like venting even though I only saw the last 50 seconds and listened to some of the fourth on the radio.

Almost a definite statement: The Hawks will always lose to teams that shoot the three well…..Golden State, New York, Magic etc……UNLESS they WORK on GUARDING the shooters

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Mar 8, 2010 10:39 PM EST reply actions  

seconded

The future has come...in the form of Jason Heyward.

by hawves on Mar 8, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

what's the point with so little time left

At this point in the season, I don’t think it would help much and you probably couldn’t get a top tier replacement right now (why would a premier unemployed coach take a 2 month job with the Hawks when he could wait and see if a better opportunity came up at the end of the season?). Promoting one of the assistants to interim coach wouldn’t help. They’re all part of the problem as much as Woody.

Now after the season is over, then yes I would hope Rick Sund would look at Woody’s body of work and reach the conclusion that Woody isn’t a coach that is going to take the Hawks any farther than they’ve gotten already and let him go.

by redwards95 on Mar 9, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm so depressed...

and this only makes it worse, from the ESPN recap: “Two nights after setting an NBA record by missing all 18 3-point attempts in its 113-93 loss to New Jersey…”

agree with coach k…fire woodson

by dchawk on Mar 8, 2010 10:42 PM EST reply actions  

that makes us look soooooo bad

Proposed Solutions:
play better OR
fire woodson

The future has come...in the form of Jason Heyward.

by hawves on Mar 8, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i've learned this from watching the hawks this season...

When its good, its great, but when its bad, its Eddie Murphy prostitute bad…

Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995

by a hooter's baby on Mar 8, 2010 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

there's no middle ground

The future has come...in the form of Jason Heyward.

by hawves on Mar 8, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a funny thing really

At least when they went through that 13 win season from hell, they sucked when they were supposed to. Now they flirt with greatness and suck at the worst and unexpected times possible, which feels kind of worst.

by da fatchick thrilla on Mar 8, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

potential has to be realized for it to be any good

The future has come...in the form of Jason Heyward.

by hawves on Mar 8, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

even in that 13 win season

The team wasn’t full of rookies. They had proven veterans that Woodson likes.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Mar 10, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

remember when the hawks played defense

for a whole game? At the start of the season, the Hawks could shut down almost any team. Now, they don’t play defense even for a full quarter. I agree the Hawks have no player-leaders, but it’s really time to fire Woodson. If a team fails to take the job seriously night after night, it’s a problem with the coaching.

by BeauGust on Mar 8, 2010 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

This team is like a prescription from a foreign country

This team is a fraud. I can only watch in small dosages, it would be harmful to your health to become a blinded fan to such a franchise

by Truthspitter on Mar 8, 2010 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

I thought we'd get some kind of momentum going into the playoffs....not

I agree with the earlier post. Somebody needs to be held accountable. Woody summed it up with his recap. He talked about them playing pretty well but couldn’t get stops in the 3rd. That type of denial is maddening. Why are you allowing Josh to get jump shot happy again? Why when JC starts making a few shots do you quickly get JJ back in the game when he’s had all of 2 minutes rest? Woody should feel embarrassed. He can’t come up with a plan to beat the zone defense. That’s deplorable. I’m embarrassed. How do we not match up well with them? We could own the inside. I said before that Josh had gone away from finishing strong at the rim? Why is that? How many bunnies has he missed over the past 10 games trying to lay it in. Finish it!!! WTF is really going here. Woody has got to go because he obviously has NO control over this team.

Bet it hit the rim!

by dstdeelite on Mar 8, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

That could be the only logical

answer….Woody doesn’t have control over the team. Almost every 1st and 3rd quarter have been very larthargic and unmotivated

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Mar 8, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It's time for us all to be honest about this team.

I’ll expound on this when Drew puts up the longer recap tomorrow

@cocoqt81

by Co Co on Mar 8, 2010 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

I think a lot us (me certainly) have been honest about it all season: this is a team that due to its lack of a true superstar and poor coaching has a 2nd round ceiling. Given the Hawks’ history of futility, that kind of season still can be entertaining and rewarding for a fan, but the organization has squandered opportunities to aim higher.

by redwards95 on Mar 9, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

no that is the mark of a good fan

the hawks lost badly tonight,and i am not very happy. But still all people posting here love the hawks and nothing will change that

The future has come...in the form of Jason Heyward.

by hawves on Mar 8, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

my friends...

the curse of the knickerbaucher is upon us! feel doom!!!!!!!

by CoxXx on Mar 9, 2010 12:50 AM EST reply actions  

Where do we go form here?

There is a side of me that is very concerned about this team. Even the first round of playoffs. No defense, and no outside shooting at this point. Not having a real center is really hurting, using Smoove and Lion as the weak side defenders on everything, leaves opponents outside shooters out there open to take jump shots. And where has our outside shooting gone? Why are we not letting rookie play when Bibster can’t make a shot. i mean how much worse can the rookie play? Come on… I am afriad we some some fundemental shortcomings, with lack of a center hurting defensively, and a point guard missing in action

by ATLpaul on Mar 9, 2010 5:57 AM EST reply actions  

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Can we have Woody (or the entire team) committed to a mental institution already?

by redwards95 on Mar 9, 2010 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

+1000000000

I’ve been thinking that every time we lose

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Mar 9, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

terrible

I can’t even watch the Hawks anymore. It’s the same story every night – isolations, missing open shots, not going inside, poor defense, blowing fourth quarter leads. You would think 63 games into the season they would realize what kills them and attempt to avoid doing it. Apparently I am asking too much of my Hawks, so now I get to see the Cavs kill them in the playoffs again so everyone can tell me how great Lebron is, that is, if the Hawks can get by their first round matchup without being able to win a road game ever

by frootbooty on Mar 9, 2010 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

I've had a chance to sleep on last night's loss

I am beginning to stomach it a little more now that I’ve had time to think on it. I’m not excusing the Hawk’s nonchalant play throughout most of the game. The played wretchedly and somehow almost won this game. The Knicks had to play a damn near perfect game to pull this one out and hat’s off to them for it. They shot more than 50% from 3 point land after going 0-18 in the previous game and yet almost loss this game. On the other hand, we hit only 3 three pointers and we almost eeked out a win. That being said, they have got to buckle down and get tougher. Because like the Knicks, there are other teams that have no chance of making the playoffs and they’re playing for pride now. They’re playing loosely and with nothing to lose. If they can get back to playing like they were playing at the beginning of the season, they’ll be fine. Because they started the season off so well and got all the media attention, teams are bringing it against them every night. They have to realize that. Just like when teams play the Lakers, Magic, Celtics, and Cavs, they bring their A game. The Hawks are going to have to realize this and start coming in with that killer mentality. I don’t know what it’s going to take to get them to realize their true potential.

Bet it hit the rim!

by dstdeelite on Mar 9, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

The hawks shut teams down at one point but now its like the focus isn’t there anymore. Something has got to give for them to get back to the way they played before. whether woody benches someone or they yell to get a point across. woody has to male them follow the game plan. I’m even seeing josh run iso, and that is a major problem problem. I love them and always will but if it takes them to get screwd or disrespectd to play better, so be it. they play with their backs against the wall better than anyteam

by Hawksgirl on Mar 9, 2010 10:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Am I the only one

Who thinks Smooth got fouled on the last play?

by axhfan on Mar 9, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

That's 2 for Teague, 1 for Bibby

Simply put – I’m going to continue to say that if Bibby’s gonna suck – I’d rather see Teague playing. These 4-5 minute stints just sicken me. If we were winning, ok, but watching Bibby do nothing during most games make me feel like I’d rather lose while developing Teague than lose with a clearly limited Bibby. So, PH – you put it out there…Bibby did his thing in the GS game, but before and since – nada mucho….

by Hawk Str8Talk on Mar 10, 2010 12:54 AM EST reply actions  

teague was worse than bibby on defense in this game

missed two assignments. one made basket ain’t not sucking. bibby did suck, but teague was not good the other night.

i have always said give more time to teague. still do.

by hawksdawgs on Mar 10, 2010 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

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