Miami Heat 100, Atlanta Hawks 94 or same old, same bad.
by hawksdawgs on Mar 6, 2010 10:38 PM EST
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And that is why the Hawks don't have long winning streaks.
Two horrible turnovers trying to post up with no ball or player movement. Effortless Josh Smith defense on Michael Beasley in the closing minutes. Only six shots for Al Horford. Joe Johnson volume shooting instead of volume scoring and unable to do anything on defense against Dwyane Wade. Mike Bibby playing crunch time minutes over Marvin Williams and not touching or shooting the ball. At least, we had Joe Smith to make us happy for a while.
The quarter by quarter field goal percentage tonight told the story from shooting almost 60% in the first to under 30 in the fourth. Naturally, opposing defenses are going to clamp down in crunch time, but as simplistic and obvious as Mike Woodson's offense is, it actually works. It really does. With ball movement and unselfishness, the Hawks get easy shots and are good enough to make easy buckets. Somehow Woody does not have the control or the faith to make the team play that way for four quarter. Neither is an attribute that sits well in my household.
More later. Go Hawks!
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I think calling it "bad" is an overstatement.
Only because we hung in and even the bench played very well. I am still a little weirded out by Woody not going with Marvin in the 4th for more length and rebounding (which has been great the past few games), but whatever.
I think the Hawks played well mostly. There were lapses, but I am not sure this was a “bad loss”.
We do need to get away from the jump shooting quarters. This isn’t basketball camp.
bad in the sense that this is the new bad
the Hawks have been blow out about 4 of the 62 games.
the go to for frustration is losing game that are easily winnable. it is a new bad, and may not be “bad” on the perspective of Hawks, but this the form bad has taken again and again this season.
what i mean is losing is bad
and when we lose, this is how it happens. over and over.
lapses in effort from josh, bad shots from joe, and odd coaching from woody.
After sleeping on it, I get it.
You’re right. Get leads, blow them. Bad habits come to surface. It’s like being surprised that “Breakin’ 2: Electric Boogaloo” was just more break dancing.
OK…I reached for that, but I get it.
You have to finish Q's strong
The Hawks and that finish to the 2nd Q lost this game. I can remember when we 1st got Bibby everyone saw him as the player that got us to the next level at the time and I agree, but what happened? Where is our leader now? We don’t have one that’s why we lose all these games we should not lose. That’s why we don’t finish Q’s or games well
What ?
What happened to that leader that helped us take the step to a playoff team and learn how to win. Because we obviously win because we have better athletes and have been together for a nice amount of time, not because of execution or knowing how to finish. Now can u explain that? Where has the leadership gone, why does it not exist so glaringly like it once did?
by Truthspitter on Mar 6, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
you don't like the hawks, do you?
funny how you always show up when things are bad.
"All these games"?
You mean as opposed to when we made the playoffs under .500? Because I am confused.
first time poster
Can’t take it anymore. Had to express my distaste for Woodson. You know its the coach’s fault when you have a team with the talent and youth and athleticism required to win, but they just don’t finish close games. How is he so blind/stupid? He continues to keep Marvin out of the crunch time in favor of Joe Johnson, Joe Johnson’s mini-me [Crawford], and Bibby. I have no problem with Bibby being on the floor… he is a much better floor general than Johnson or Crawford, and he can hit the three in the clutch. Johnson and Crawford are both fine players when they aren’t the focal point, but I would not play them at the same time for the whole 4th quarter… especially when they are struggling. If Bibby won’t be given the task of running the offense, then the Hawks should trade for someone who can. Though the problem would probably be fixed by firing Woodson and getting some fresh blood on the bench
Disagree
If you had said you know that a team as shaky leadership I would agree, but leadership does not fall solely onto the shoulders of the coach. Woody did not go onto the floor and turn the ball over 2 times back to back up by 1 pt with less than 3 minutes to go in the game, the Hawks did.
by Truthspitter on Mar 6, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
it's up to the coach to make it clear who should be handling the ball
and in close games, the margin of error is so small, that it often does come down to coaching/strategy. The fact of the matter is that the Hawks play a great game, and for whatever reason, they fall apart in the 4th because they change their game. Woodson sticks the 2 big-game shooters on the floor at once, and its highly unnecessary.
dave welcome
truthspitter will fight with you to the death.
but i agree. when you have guys making 11 million a year. the coach making a million or two is the easiest thing to go.
if someone told me Mo Evans, night in and night out could be one of the main problems, he would be gone tomorrow.
The Craptastic 5 strikes again
How many different ways can I say it? That 4th quarter lineup SHOULD NOT be used in crunch time. Marvin’s rebounding and defensive efforts were missed tonight down the stretch. Dammit, Woody! Why can’t you see that? Smoove was anything but smooth tonight. His head was not in the game. He went a better part of a half with1 rebound. 1 rebound!! You’re kidding me. What is the tally now for games that should have/could have been won?
1. Miami
2. Knicks (2)
3. Suns(we could have won that one in Phoenix)
4. Cleveland (in Cleveland)
5. Golden State
6. Chicago
7. OKC
8. Detroit
I’m sure I’ve missed some but my point is lack of focus on the offensive end costs us games. At the end of the day, I really don’t think Miami will make the playoffs. Call me crazy, but I just don’t think they will. I think Charlotte will beat them out for that final spot.
Dallas should top that list
I agree with GState and the Knicks (2) and Cleveland, Chicago, and Dallas, that’s atleast 6 games, but I don’t get why u guys blame Woody for everything
by Truthspitter on Mar 6, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not blaming him for everything
I’m blaming him for not making the right moves in Close games. Not finishing games the way you started them, and that’s by putting the best 5 on the floor in the last 10 minutes of the game. the best 5 is not Bibby-Crawford-JJ-Smoove-Horford. Marvin Williams is easily better than Bibby and Crawford, and if he was in a better system, I’d argue he has the potential to be better than JJ and Horford as well.
Are u serious?
What system is it that would allow Marvin to be better than Hortford? I would on any other team and playing PF that Hortford would be a 17 pt 10 reb guy right now and I’m pretty sure that is accurate. So, what system is Marvin better than Hortford?
by Truthspitter on Mar 6, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not talking right now
I said the “potential to be better”. A more west-coast style offense would play to Marvin’s length/size/quickness abilities. Like if he took over grant Hill’s spot in Phoenix’s lineup. a team with a floor general like Nash, who distributes and would make sure to get Marvin some open looks.
We differ
Which is totally fine, but Marvin does not have the potential to be better than Hortford. Put Al as PF on any team now or in the future he will give you 17 to 22 pts and 10+ rebounds a night. You have to baby Marvin, find the correct system and people and all of that, that’s not the case for Al. Any team in the league he would put up 17 to 22 a night and 10+ rebounds at his possession which is PF. If you have time go to draftexpress.com and look up player measurements. Al is not even a full 6"10 and he is doing this, just think if he was at his natural position. Al has much more upside than Marvin and is already better, if we took every system and played Al at his natural position and Marvin at his natural position Al would come out on top at a glaring rate. Even the best system for both playing there natural positions I would take Al any day
by Truthspitter on Mar 7, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
A big part of a coach's job is to develop his players
and put them in a position to succeed. If not, then why are we paying him.
LOL!!!
You Hawk’s fans are so pathetic! You’re still thinking you have a shot at the championship?? LOL
Yeah dstdeelite Miami might not be in the playoff this year but it’ll be a contender next What about your stinky birds???
Clearly Miami is not in Hawks league
Furthermore, your team with the talent it has, has underperformed all year. How can you explain a team with D-Wade, Beasely, JO, winning agsint Hawks and Lakers and then losing to opponents that you lose? I would not want to be associated with that type of underperforming, no future, mosquito and humidity infested town for the price of gold.
At least Hawks lost on a away night to a tough team. We proved last year we were better, this year Heat is not even close, because you all are mental. As for next year, go get a life. Who knows what will happen. Good luck struggling to make the playoffs
NOT IN HAWKS LEAGUE?
yeah, that’s right. You not in same league with a team that you lost 3 times.
Let me explain....
First of all, check your record.
Second of all realize one of the defeats by Hawks to Miami was with two of our key subs not playing.
Third of all, you were in our league last year, when you lost in the playoffs. Hawks are now one of top 4 teams in the East. where is Miami in standings? Let me enlighten you, struggling to make the playoffs.
Fourth of all, core of our team is here and young and getting better, where is Miami, let me educate you again, desperately looking for free agents next year.
I am always glad to help lost Heat fans. Now go build a team
Another tough one to lose
One can argue Hawks should not have not lost the last three games we lost (GS, Dallas, and now Miami). Clearly the better team did not win in each occasion. A few points.
. Woody strikes again. Clearly the man doesn’t get offense. To defend him, is stupid. Let’s seen Dallas goes zone, we act like 2 year olds. Miami a week or so later goes zone, and again we act like little kids. Yes, he doesn’t care about offense, and that is what you get. Woody, posting a big man at the top of the key to pass out and around, and penetration, are keys to attacking a zone. Hire a college coach to help you.
. Also, whereas we have clearly been doing better near end of games with Marvin there, Woody again forgot because of love affair with Bibster. One good game last game against GS, and Woody is back to his ridiculous 3 guard rotation. Again please do not defend Woody’s strategy, because it is a joke. How much pressure he is putting on Smoove and Lion to defend. Why is Beasley so wide open? Would he be so wide open if Marvin is in there? I mean JJ and Jamal are bad enough defenders. Bibby is on another orbit by himself.
. Independent of Woody, the losses, reflect on lack of toughness for the Hawks. Whether that is because of JJ’s leadership or lack there of, or whether it is because of a lack of a center that is a tough man rebounding out there, we lack the toughness that is needed to win in crunch time. A team is a reflection of its leaders on and off the court, but mostly on the court. Unfortunately JJ is too passive. Need some fire which Smoove and Lion bring to the table, but again, JJ as the leader, is not doing his job.
We move on, but we sure are losing hopes of catching Orlando. But there are some core issues of toughness and lack of technical coaching that continue to grip this team
by ATLpaul on Mar 7, 2010 7:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
The yahoo team reports are pretty interesting
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/atl/report
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
edvidence against Woodson builds
Fantasy player notes: Sat March 6: F Marvin Williams had another solid night with 12 points and 14 rebounds, using his length and athleticism to help the Hawks dominate inside.
(Yahoo! Sports)
Sun March 7: F Marvin Williams went back on the invisible list Saturday night, finishing with just six points and four rebounds.
(Yahoo! Sports)
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
The team report points out many faults with the end of that game, but the easiest fix semms to me that you Play Marvin!
Help to defend Beasley, better rebounding, and another interior scorer, fixed!
Point for Teague
Well, if you used the Golden State game as a point for Mike Bibby, then I guess I get to use this game and particularly the 4th quarter as the reason Jeff Teague should be playing WAYYY more than he is (as in NOT a DNP on any night). As I said in my opuses, if Bibby is making shots – he should start (which ironically would mean that the GS game followed the ground rules that I set in saying that Jeff Teague should be the starting PG IF Mike Bibby stayed in a shooting slump).
Games like last night make me question why Mike Bibby was even signed. Not trying to complain too much, but every time I watch Jarrett Jack – I think about how we could have him for LESS money than Bibby, then I’d care even less about how much time Jeff Teague plays.
teague should have played some this game
but i don’t want teague in at the end of games any more than i want a cold or non shooting bibby. Marvin needs to be in there.
Teague gets baited into fouls/ commits way to many fouls to see late fourth quarter minutes.
if teague had enough minutes to qualify
he would be at least 5th in the league in fouls per48 minutes (didn’t feel like figuring out the math to see if you was fourth or not).
he should learn to play without fouling and that requires time, but it does not require him to play crunch time minutes. especially with marvin on the bench.
not trying to complain too much?
you complain WAYYY too much. i respect your very negative sentiments about mike bibby because you are entitled to that. but please, can we be done with that? that subject was already discussed in two posts. in case who haven’t noticed, there are people here who don’t share your opinion.
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