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Milwaukee Bucks 98, Atlanta Hawks 95 or free throws ain't free but the John Salmons' show is

Joe Johnson was incredible tonight. He not only made fourth quarter shots. He made easy fourth quarter shots. It was the Joe show of Woody's dreams. Unfortunately, you could replace John Salmons as the subject of those sentences and it would be equally as true. The difference in the last minutes of the game was simply that Joe fouled John Salmons 12 feet beyond the three point line with the Hawks in the bonus. Joe had denied Salmons the ball on a few possessions down the stretch. It was the only defense Atlanta had one him. (You know because if he got the ball the Bucks just set a screen and put Josh Smith on him.) So I get the intent, but that does not make it correct. And I get that Joe was not playing perfectly legal defense either, but that does not make that call correct either.

Still, far too good of a game and too great of play by the two aforementioned players to blame the lose on the ref (and Dick should have known that it was far too good of a battle to even make it a debate) so the Hawks should look elsewhere to grow and blame. And the foul line is where that begins and ends. 46% from the charity stripe is not leaving points on the board. It is giving away points. It is giving away energy. It is a game killer, and it was all of those things tonight. 

As far as three peripheral things, and I say peripheral because the players could have easily won this game despite them, the inability to throw any wrinkle in the fourth quarter lineup to stop Salmons, get Al Horford the ball, or draw up anything that looks like the team is even aware of the goal of basketball as sport on the final play is disheartening. Check that, it is predictable. Back to back games are about motivation, about knowing when to press the gas and when to rest. They are about milking every ounce of skill out of tired bodies and then milking every advantage until the victory cow says "seriously stop milking me." They are about willing a group to victory. Mike Woodson has no ability to help his players in any of this. Don't get me wrong. If the Hawks hit their free throws and don't commit dumb fouls, they win, but you don't pay the coach to make free throw or not commit fouls. You pay him to do those other things. And in those things, Woody continues to be a no show. Seriously, I am not sure Joe Johnson knew how much time was left in the game on that last play. Think about that. Actually don't. That is unfair because I don't know that for fact. Just think about how dumb that possession looked. That is fact.

The Hawks fought hard. They could have won, and that is something to hang your hat on when the Hawks are on the road and exhausted. The fact that they should have won is the frustrating part.

Go Hawks!

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brandon jennings didnt go off for 50

by Throw on Mar 22, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Chokers

This has happened atleast 10 times this year, you can find something different to blame each time or just call it what it is choking

by Truthspitter on Mar 22, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Should be closer to 60

Considering this has occurred 10 + times this trend is unacceptable it would seam that a time out and 1 good set every now and then would keep this from happening

by Truthspitter on Mar 23, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's called reasonable expectations

You should check it out. Also, punctuation, u phails @ it.

"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC

by Jesse28 on Mar 23, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's really odd.

Last night during the Spurs game one of the announcers talked about Woody’s comment to them about really just being concerned with not slipping back in the standings, which they thought odd because they are tied with Boston and far ahead of the rest. It sounded to me like it looks—Woody doesn’t care about these games enough to vary the strategy or to try hard to win them.

But here’s the other thing—if he doesn’t really care about these games, why in hell does he continue to kill the starters on these back-to-backs????

Woody, I just don’t get you.

by rbubp on Mar 22, 2010 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Woody doesnt get Woody

Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995

by a hooter's baby on Mar 22, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Celtics

losing tonite so we could have jumped to 3, but we choked another away

by Truthspitter on Mar 22, 2010 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

but we're just trying not to fall back, so no worries, eh?

I mean with that attitude it should be crystal clear why this team us the way they are.

by rbubp on Mar 22, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Rick Sund sees the same things we do

I’m talking about the lack of coaching by Mike Woodson. Mike Woodson is proof to those who thought NBA coaches do not coach. He definitely does not coach and it shows BIG time. Even though this team is going to have a better record than last year they have underachieved.

by BravesFanScout on Mar 22, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

NBA coaches DO coach, though.

All you have to do is watch a Lakers, Spurs, Bobcats, Nuggets or Rockets game and you can see actual good coaching. Even mediocre coaches like Doc Rivers and Don Nelson actually coach…they just aren’t that good at it.

by rbubp on Mar 22, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yes, I know they coach. But to those who believe some do not all they need to do is watch Mike Woodson

Sorry, i came across wrong on that post. I think Mike Woodson shows the least amount of effort at coaching than any coach in the league. He just sits back and hopes something good happens. His play calling, or lack there of, is awful. I would really like to know what he does on a day to day bases. What he does in the locker room and in the huddle. I’m sure it wouldn’t be anything productive to help the Hawks.

by BravesFanScout on Mar 23, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

let's not moan and groan over this one

The Hawks are officially in and just need to position themselves to be healthy and ready coming into the playoffs. Course JJ should have kept his hand off Salmons back and calling that was questionable at best. But I think everyone is failing to realize that the hawks are finally showing a lil moxie in the clutch. Wednesday is a must win just like a lot of these games remaining and I believe we can win. Gloom and doom isn’t for winners.

Anybody see the question during Hawks Live about "Should the Hawks resign JJ and sign Amare Stoudamire?

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Mar 22, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

For all you bargin hunters

What if JJ took a bargain contract for Amare to come here?

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Mar 22, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh

That’s still handcuffing the Hawks hands as it relates to signing Horford and Smith in the future. And exactly how would that lineup work because he plays no defense?

"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC

by Jesse28 on Mar 22, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's assume Coach Woodson has coached his last season with the Hawks

Just like many are assuming Joe isn’t coming back and already thinking of him as a step child. Let’s also assume we don’t know the Hawks handcuffness as it relates to rumor that the owners want to give the Hawks to somebody who will spend money to win. I mean really, isn’t all this talk about who the hawks need and don’t need all speculation? To be honest Amare plays better defense than we give him credit and would probably play better defense on a contender than a run and gun Suns team.

Now there’s talk, or at least there was talk, about the Hawks needing a center to help Al out. Are you saying that wouldn’t be an upgrade?

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Mar 22, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Offensively, it would be if we played inside out

But we don’t so sure, on some nights when the ball finds its way down low, he would be an upgrade when we played the three or so teams that has a center that gives Horford trouble. Other than that, I like what having Horford at the 5 and Smith at the 4 allows us to do to the other 95% of the league.

You are right though, there are many variables to think about when discussing any new acquisition. Woody or no Woody, JJ or no JJ, ISO or no ISO, switch all the time or not, etc. Frankly, I think the safest bet is that no one leaves except for JJ. Maybe they go after someone else, but I doubt it. I think they are going to do everything they can to resign JJ, regardless of the effect it may have on this team in the long term.

As it all relates to Amare though, I say pass. He has had knee issues and while he isn’t old, he isn’t getting any younger and I don’t want us handcuffed to the next degraded KG and a declining JJ. If we can get both signed to three year deals, then I say you do that in a heartbeat, but surely nothing more than four years.

"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC

by Jesse28 on Mar 23, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly believe

If you get both JJ and Amare there’s no downside to what can happen next year. If they are both signed, naturally, both would have to compromise their contracts.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Mar 23, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amare

Worthless on defense only thing he does better than Josh or even Al is make jumpers, but Al may catch him within the next 2 years.

by Truthspitter on Mar 23, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like Amare

Is gonna help play defense. This switch everything foolishness is going to far

by Truthspitter on Mar 22, 2010 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

????

I find it funny how the Magic are throwing a party the night before we play them. It just shows they dont care about us. I hope they come in that night hung over

by Throw on Mar 22, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

haha, I like this idea

"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC

by Jesse28 on Mar 23, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

By the way

Racism will cease to exist in the United States before Marvin has 2 really good games back to back

by Truthspitter on Mar 23, 2010 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Celebration time!...

 Mar 3 PHI W 112-93 1 31:18 8 12 66.7 0 3 0.0 5 6 83.3 2 6 8 1 1 1 1 2 21
 Mar 1 @ CHI W 116-92 1 31:56 7 14 50.0 0 2 0.0 4 4 100.0 2 7 9 4 0 1 0 2 18

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 23, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please don't get started on Marvin

How is he supposed to shoot when he gets no touches? Hell, even Jamal only got 2 touches in the 4th quarter and he was on fire earlier. The 4th Quarter was the Joe Johnson and John Salmons show. Period. It worked for a time, but the dumb foul and the missed floater equaled ballgame.

Bet it hit the rim!

by dstdeelite on Mar 23, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Talk about salt in the wounds....this ought to make everyone's morning

http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks/smith-plans-to-keep-394824.html

You know what? In a way, he’s right. That is a part of his game that needs to expand, but not to the detriment of his post game. He’s much more effective around the basket right now. He needs to take the off season to work on the jumper…..just not right now, please!!!!

Bet it hit the rim!

by dstdeelite on Mar 23, 2010 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Why all the focus on jumpers?...

What kind of player would Josh be if he worked hard on developing that baby hook shot, or an up and under, on attacking the glass and boxing out, on taking 2-3 good dribbles, or a nice little mid range game from 16 feet in? IYAM, Josh needs to work harder on his game around the paint than his outside shot.

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 23, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's a practice shooter, he's not a game shooter

Shooting around during practice is different than shooting in the game Josh. His long wind up of a shooting motion just begs inconsistancy. If it were a faster release and in rhythm with the “plays” they run he might hit it more often. But, if you notice in the game a lot of guys pass up passing to him 25 feet from the basket. Even though some guards do it out of habit

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Mar 23, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The fact that they should have won is the frustrating part."

Pretty much sums up most of the season played so far.

Yep, the team is still learning how to close up games. Untimely mistakes and decisions are costing the team games.

What concerns me most is the defensive issues. Just think about it. Most have said how we have so many scorers on the team now that they no longer have to rely on JJ. The offense is there. But when the defense is M.I.A. the team tends to lose.

You can score all the points you want but if you can’t stop the other team from scoring or matching your intensity, most likely you are gonna lose.

The Bucks wanted to win the game just as much as our Hawks. In the end they got the stops(DEFENSE) plus offense and won the game. Our team however had the offense (Joe Johnson) minus defense. Oh yeah and the one man show threw our team chemistry off. I mean I love JJ but the 4th quarter was just too much JJ and not enough team.

by DPhenomenal1 on Mar 23, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

winnable game but hey its only 25 losses now.

Now, I love jj but that ball should have swung. I thought BIBBY was in to shoot not to stand around. It isn’t all jjs fault, teammates can make you pass and the coach has to as well. on to Orlando. I hope we have some confidence when we play them, we beat the spurs, so we should have a chance right?

IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.

by Hawksgirl on Mar 23, 2010 11:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree

yep after the Spurs victory, the chances of the team defeating Orlando are greater. :-)

by DPhenomenal1 on Mar 23, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

JJ is the least of the worries

What a joke anyone is that insists on trying to blame JJ for every loss

by Truthspitter on Mar 23, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your handle is a joke

And so is your face.

"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC

by Jesse28 on Mar 24, 2010 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

OMG, he walked!

Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995

by a hooter's baby on Mar 23, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

disregard

Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995

by a hooter's baby on Mar 23, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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