Preview and Game Thread #67: Atlanta Hawks @ Toronto Raptors
by hawksdawgs on Mar 17, 2010 5:47 PM EDT
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| Atlanta Hawks 09-10 Season Game #67 | ||
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| 43-23 | 32-33 |
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| Air Canada Centre |
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| March 17th, 2010, 7:30 PM | ||
| SportsSouth, Hawks Radio Network, NBA Audio League Pass | ||
| Probable starters: | ||
| Mike Bibby |
PG | Jarret Jack |
| Joe Johnson | SG | DeMar DeRozan |
| Marvin Williams |
SF | Hedo Turkoglu |
| Josh Smith | PF | Chris Bosh |
| Al Horford | C | Andrea Bargnani |
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Hawks Injury Report: Joe Johnson is out.
Raptors Injury Report: None.
Blogging With the Enemy: Raptors HQ
Predicted bane of the Hawks existence: Jarret Jack
Game Preview:
If you wanted to know if the Hawks have Toronoto's number, a win tonight would prove it. The Raptors are in a sort of not really "must win" after losing their last five and nine of their last ten. Joe Johnson is out. The Hawks are on the road, the second of back to back. The team is starting Zaza at point guard away from making the odds completely stacked. Our boys bring home a win tonight, and you can safely start rooting for a first round with the Raptors.
Of note, and it is neither my idea nor a new idea nor an entirely thought out idea, but is it odd to anyone else that Bosh automatically is part of the 2010 max contract club? His stats are incredible. He is surely not the problem for the Raptors, but don't you want a max contract guy to be more than not the problem, but an actual problem solver? Anyway, I apologize in advance for Bosh's 40 point, 20 rebound game tonight.
Keys to the game:
- Hawks front court exceeds their averages in rebounding and points. Raptors front court falls short of theirs.
- Raptors making three or less more three pointers than the Hawks.
- Marvin Williams is aggressive.
Go Hawks!
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Let's just say I am less than thrilled about this game
Toronto is going to be playing desperate basketball. Not good for us without Joe and the second night of a back to back. Our frontcourt should rebound like their life depended on it. I expect a big game from Smoove. He’s been coasting a little lately.
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 5:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
cant wait for this one.
should be good but then again it can go both ways. A good game for marv to step up
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
Joe is out correct?
I wanna see what Teague does since so many cry for playing time. We know Toronto does not care for defense so if he can do anything offensively you should see it tonite
lets go hawks
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
white?
And mo is starting
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Calderon just got his starting job back from Jack...
What better way to solidfy your position at PG than to be guarded by Bibby. Calderon will be the bane of our existence.
bibster
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
marv
Smoove too
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My signal cut out for a second right at the tip
When it cut back in, the timeout had already been called.
their crowd boos them early in the game?
Its one been over a minute.
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
rebound after rebound! great Job although no bucket
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
come on guys
Nice pass smoove
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
ugh wide open
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
come on guys focus
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
why take mo out?
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No offensive motion suddenly
I mean, they’re not going to defend the paint. They’re just not. Get it into the paint.
Damn wtf happened?l
We got a bucket
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i am continually amazed that Woody
has never realized there are easier ways to post up than someone running down the court and standing 18 feet from the basket as “the play.”
I agree
I was watching Stansbury get Varnardo to the rim in that Kentucky game and I think Stansbury is a horrible coach I am starting to soar on Woody
by Truthspitter on Mar 17, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct
That’s why I am soaring on Woody, Al is a small center and Josh a small PF he needs to get them on the move, what they call rim runs
by Truthspitter on Mar 17, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Box score was very undstated
“Chris Bosh misses shot. Chris Bosh offensive rebound. Hedo Turkoglu misses shot. Hedo Turkoglu offensive rebound. Hedo Turkoglu misses reverse lay-up. Al Horford defensive rebound.”
gotta focus and get back in control
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
nice BIBBY
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
that's right attack the paint
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
jamal is a beast
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
aaaah bad play
Didn’t get back on d either
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
nice try jamal and Joe
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Teague
Needs to learn to finish, maybe try the back-board out. Josh has taken 2 too many jump shots and Jamal and even Bibby are playing too fast almost out of control, so is Hortford. They all need to settle down
lets go and run!
Move da ball
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why did Smoove come out so early?
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 7:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No I meant Smoove. He had just come back in when I posted that question
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
defense without a foul please
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
they are very out of control
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wow a foul while you're on the ground
This is becoming almost comical
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 7:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
alright seriously why all the jumpers
move the ball
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
teague!
Under control and finishing the play
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We need to settle down. What happened to Toronto NOT rebounding?
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 7:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why are we in a world of suckitude right now?
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 7:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They're getting all the calls and we're getting none
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 7:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
ugh
This is getting ridiculous. the plays are simple and they can’t finish at all
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hawks just need to pack it in and head back down south
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 7:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
time to get physical
Feed the bigs
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
alright al
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 7:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I knew that technical was coming
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 7:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Somebody done gone and pissed Bibby off!
I like
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
damn my stream
i can see whats going on (kind of) but i cant see the score well. Help anybody?
The future has come...in the form of Jason Heyward.
Ball don't lie!!!!!
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The refs aren't giving us anything so let's get it!!!
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They trying to punk the Raptors
This is wrong but its funny
smoove had barghini scared lol
Me too
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jose had better stand down!
Those Georgia boys don’t play that. Lol
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i rewinded that one too
and that was a horrible call. a no call at best. it looked like jamal was flopping not fouling.
Damn Crawford
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Damn! 2 technicals
ATL bout to rob them. mark my words
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by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
where was the foul, ref? Don't swallow the whistle now. Is it too much to ask to get a game called fairly?
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't remember our "This is your brain on drugs" being as graphic as these meth commercials.a.
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
21 fast break points for Toronoto
in the first half.
i am not a stat guy, but I am pretty sure that is not good.
lmbo
The green unis remind them of Boston
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by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We need girth
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah because length can be somewhat overrated. Girth is always good. Lol
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Isnt ga tech in the finals or whatever? I watched them beat Michigan I think
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
lets go!
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
please come out with some energy
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hedo can put it on the floor
He’s playing like he’s back in Orlando
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
yea Moe!
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Do we not have Mark Prince on the payroll?
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
here we go
Come on hawks
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
mercy
8/10 well 9/11
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
nice start to the 3rd hawks
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by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Smoove needs to stop hanging out around the perimeter
That’s how Boone said he was able to get 20 rebounds yesterday
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My biggest fear is Jamal coming in ice cold.
Come on, Jamal. We need you.
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
jamal should drive the entire third quarter
with the hawks in the bonus and then come out gunning in the fourth. 50 points easy.
would have never thought 9 threes wow
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
lets go
Woah Craw…..umm Alrighty
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by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Crawford daddy
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
mooo again
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Let's not trade buckets here
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Craw again
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jamal is playing like he wants to go the playoffs
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
nice d zaza
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Marvin, you're not gonna draw the foul that late in the quarter. Your name is not LeBron.
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 8:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
why don't I remember jamal on other teams before he came here?
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
every starter but bibby
could play the entire fourth quarter and be under 40 minutes.
nice work by woody distributing those 37 extra minutes tonight.
can't get comfortable on the road hawks
Stay focused
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 8:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
bob and nique are not nice to opposing teams
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 9:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
lol @ Zaza for dribbling like he has a cane
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 9:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I cannot believe they are booing their team as if they're down 20. Wow
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by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 9:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Alrighty lets close it out hawks
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 9:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That was a shooting foul?
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 9:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
hawks need to keep driving
Drive it to no end
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 9:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
hawks need to keep driving
Drive it to no end
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 9:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Please don't tell me we're going through our dreaded scoring drought. Ugh they're probably worn out
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 9:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
that's what I do-smoove
Lol yal seen thos videos on hawks.com?
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 9:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Virtual standing ovation for Mo Evans
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by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 9:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Josh Smith is 5-8
on shots he should be taking. He’s 0-4 on jump shots.
And his jumpshots haven’t even been like 12 footers. They’ve all been with one foot on the line, or practically on it.
do we want to lose this game?
Al doesn’t
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 9:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Damn
Come on hawks. close it out
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 9:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
God Marvin please stop killing me softly
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by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 9:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Damn Damn
Yes al!
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 9:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
zaza is a unisex name
Watching Bobby Cox pick boogers since 1995
by a hooter's baby on Mar 17, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Al getting getting it done
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 9:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
come on hawks
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Mar 17, 2010 9:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Speaking of Miss State
hope my 2 favorite teams dont lose with blocking out and getting rebound being a big issue for both
Forced him into a bad shot, though.
And the real all-start made a shot few others make.
Certainly no one on the Hawks can make that shot.
Well atleast
U people can’t claim that the Hawks are better without Joe, good night
Ladies and gentlemen,
Your 2010-11 Atlanta Hawks.
Other teams in the league run isos and THEY WORK???
You mean in the sense that the Hawks had no idea what to do at the end of the game
kind of like always?
Who won?
Why didn’t he get the ball at the end?
because of Crawford
don’t think that would have been any different with Joe. Actually, Al would have had four less makes in the fourth with Joe.
Outscored 31-19 in the fourth by a mediocre team
Great players don’t let that happen.
this is idiotic to say someone is great or not great
being the go to guy for the first time in his entire career.
and actually performing. Anyone else makes shots in the fourth they win. Al was 5 of 6 in the fourth.
Would have could have
Quit making claims and prove something, you can’t prove that. This team is not better without Joe, the Raps are the softest team and NBA and we lose to them
by Truthspitter on Mar 17, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If Joe doesn't play against the Bobcats
we will find out. Its tough to play on a back to back on the road. I personally don’t think we are a better team without Joe but I am not sure we would have won that game even with him there. It was just a lack of focus at the end, which happens all the time with Joe in the game as well.
I'm not even very pro-Joe
…I’m just saying that without him this is an average team at best because there is no go-to guy.
Al and Josh are not those guys. I don;t know how many times this sort of scenario has to happen before people realize who those two are: Above average.
That IS above average!!!
It came against the RAPS, man! And the Hawks still lost!
..Even if Horford played well at the end...
it was Toronto, who has no interior defense. And still, outscored 31-19 in the fourth.
Al really took over.
did you watch the last three minutes?
he made three straight baskets. stopped Bosh twice, once blocking his shot.
It doesn;t matter
at the end Bosh won the game and Al did not.
END OF STORY.
that makes no sense
so if Jamal makes that last shot, Al is better than Chris Bosh for outplaying in the fourth?
you can’t make those kind of statements based on one game. Al was the reason they were close.
What point are you trying to make here?
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 9:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Had Joe been there, i would have still given the ball to Jamal.
When is the last time Joe had a buzzer beating game winner? Two seasons ago maybe against philly?
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 9:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You guys are gonna be crying.
It’s truly pathetic to see such poor understanding of what different players can and cannot do.
so your evidence agains Horford tonight is what
individual evidence?
Chris Bosh was 3-6 in the fourth btw.
Not only does it suck to lose
but it also sucks to have “fans” start name calling because someone doesn’t agree with their assessment of certain situations. One thing about opinions, everybody has one. Sometimes you and Truthspitter come with all the extra unnecessary shit.
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 10:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not only does it suck to lose
but it also sucks to have “fans” start name calling because someone doesn’t agree with their assessment of certain situations. One thing about opinions, everybody has one. Sometimes you and Truthspitter come with all the extra unnecessary shit.
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 10:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Drew, do this for me:
Post a poll on who the Hawks’ go-to guy is without Joe.
I submit that the answer will be all over the place. And when it is iy will prove my point: Al has a good game, Marvin and Josh suck. The next game Marvin is great and Al sucks. And then the third game…you know where I’m going. And at no point do ANY of them command a double-team. Ever.
You can’t have a contending team that does not have ONE go-to guy as THE man.
you have no evidense of that
because none of those guys have been asked to be the go to guy, night in and night out.
i would contend that Horford rarely if ever sucks. He certainly sucks much less than Joe sucks.
joe is not a go to guy. his fourth quarter stats from a efficiency stand point are some of the worst in the league for his usage.
joe is just given the ball
we have no ideas what would happen if Al was given the ball.
telling a team to give the ball to bigs with 15 games to go for one game is a tall order when they are used to guards.
a new season with that mindset could easily be different. we don’t know. to make bold claims about how it can’t work makes no sense to me. Especially after tonight.
IN FACT,
Al is “just given the ball” about 15 times a game. And he passes the ball out of the post most of the time.
WHY does he do that, I wonder?
I get pissed off at losses like this.
Makes me surlier than usual.
everybody gets pissed off when we lose
but let’s act and talk like true hawks fans. for a moment there, i thought truthspitter has stolen your identity!
truthspitter
a lot of times says crazy things for shock value. rbubp is just being rbubp
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Please tell me, what does it mean to be a true Hawks fan?
that I have to go with the groupthink that the team’s better off without Joe Johnson? That’s what this argument is about.
Yes
I agree I am a Hawksfan and I don’t get these guys. Marvin is great and Joe is not needed. What a bunch of jokes.
by Truthspitter on Mar 18, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
i would never say Al is fantastic in the post
but to come on tonight and say he could not be dominant and to call his game tonight average is dumb. it is wrong. it is coming with an agenda.
he created shots for others in the first half and dominated with moves in the fourth.
also i think the Hawks would be much better if they did not play like one guy was the star
because to be honest, there is no true alpha dog on the team, just guys playing one.
teams with no alpha dog are what is called
“lacking in identity.”
oh i agree this team has no identity
i think with the passing and athleticism of Josh and Al, this team could easily have one playing through them.
three point shooters, guys willing to move without the basketball, and the offense running through Horford and Josh would be very, very good.
I never called his game "average."
I said it was “above average.”
By the way, I went back and watched the first half again. The Raps doubled down on Al three times the whole half. One other time they were in a zone and he caught a pass at the top of the key and three guys ran at him (because they are so bad at defense). Another time he screened for Crawford while still holding the ball on the wing. Wasn’t a double-down.
I can’t actually understand why they doubled down at all, frankly. At least two of the three times Al was far from the basket and had not moved into scoring position, and it was like they doubled just to get him to pass the ball away, which of course he did. Bargnani is a really crappy defender who would need help, but the Raps put the great Amir Johnson on Al and that pretty much ended any first-half production. Bosh was on him briefly and Al did get hi to foul a couple of times (not always leading to free throws).
At some times it is actually desirable to shoot through a double-team—if you have the ball deep enough to draw a foul, or if you have a path for a good shot. In two of the three doubles, Al did not have a shot and passed out immediately for a long jumper. It barely counted as inside-out, really.
Nonetheless, three double-teams per half is not exactly stretching a defense.
joe johnson dribbles into three double teams a half. he is never EVER doubled right away three times in a half.
and it is good for Wade to dribble through double teams. Not Centers. Johnson never dribbles through double teams. He either creates a shot, forces a shot, or dribbles backwards and waste five seconds of the shot clock.
unless you are a Wade or LeBron and have the speed, athleticism and handle to break doubles, it is always better to pass out of them. if the other four guys play good basketbal on your team, you are going to get a wide open shot.
also, they didn’t double him in the fourth, and he owned them. Against Bosh, probably considered the second best power forward in the league.
I disagree.
Getting to the foul line is the single best play in the NBA other than a dunk or uncontested layup—consider that virtually every player in the league shoots at least 60% from the line, How many shoot 60% from teh field?
And yes, Joe Johnson’s inability to get to the line keeps the Hawks from being a legit contender.
BTW, getting to the line is why it’s ok for centers to shoot through double-teams too, and this simple numerical fact is why drawing a shooting foul is always a better-percentage play than passing out for a long jumper (possibly excepting when a three is needed).
It's funny...
spacing and who benefits from it…no one ever double-teams Al because even one-on-one many centers can stop him. He doesn’t even play in the paint half the time.
Have you not noticed that most of his points from jumpers when he has been left alone? Because others were being attended to?
How about charting where Horford’s point come from, then? I’ll wager 50% of them come on those kind of “left-alone” shots.
of his five fourth quarter makes
one was him moving without the ball and a great pass by Josh. The rest were grown man moves.
Talking about the whole year
so that a real understanding of his potential as a go-to guy can be ascertained. Not just against the weakest defensive team in the league.
Is that something new
Marvin has owed fans apology since day 1
by Truthspitter on Mar 17, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
not necessarily Marvin’s fault we blew that lead. His box out on the missed free throw, however, can be considered an epic failure.
Marvin stats
one out of 10, how do you not blame him for a game that is like sleep walking??? The guy is horrible
There are five players on the court at any given time
one player doesn’t account for blowing an eight point lead with two minutes left. Josh Smith failed to play defense on a few plays including a crucial three point basket by Bargnani down the stretch, that doesn’t make it just his fault we lost the game. If we hadn’t blown the lead as is the custom these days, Marvin wouldn’t be getting the flack for failing to box out. It’s a team game.
Then you are ignoring the facts about him
while he missed shot after shot, the last failure to block out makes this absolutely on him
i bet he is going to kiss and make up after this
At least Smoove has the manhood not to shake that idiot Turkuglou’s hand after the loss
Haha yeah...
I would have been too upset to shake the Hedo’s hand. Oh well, lets hope we show up against the Bobcats. Tough ending…
I agree
I am now a complete Josh fan he has some Lebron in him, damn sportsmanship you lost. Give me Josh, Joe,and Al get rid of Marvin I’m sorry but Marvin just is an absolute bust
by Truthspitter on Mar 18, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Why are we shocked about the last play after the missed free throw?
We NEVER box out!!
Bet it hit the rim!
by dstdeelite on Mar 17, 2010 9:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Alright kiddies settle down
game was easily winnable. but they didn’t follow through
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I guess you could say Josh is the barometer of this team
I agree, when he feels like it, he can be dominate. But why or why does Josh take long jumpers? the world may never know. I insist that whoever interviews the hawks ask Josh WHY DO YOU TAKE SCHOOLYARD “I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU THINK” JUMPERS? Say it real loud too…
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
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