Atlanta Hawks 116, Chicago Bulls 92 or take that last night.
by hawksdawgs on Mar 1, 2010 11:04 PM EST
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One could say Josh Smith's first quarter won this game for the Hawks. 9 pts, 3 reb, 2 ast, 1 stls, shooting 4 of 5 from the floor. Without a hint of revisionist history, I say with sincerity that I am not sure someone can set the tone for a game better in the league than Josh . The tone does not even need to last four quarter (and it didn't tonight). The permanence does not really matter. Twelve minutes in the Bulls knew Josh Smith could take over the game at any point. The 22 offensive rebounds were just a nice reminder of such throughout.
Mo Evans plays HORSE, wins.
On a night where one can talk about Deng being on the bench, Rose limping around, and the jump shot happy third quarter, I think a better use of our time is to focus on Mo Evans totally awesome shot from behind the basket. When Kobe hits that shot, it led Sportscenter. It should. Kobe Bryant is, shall we say, better than Mo. But the Hawks don't have Kobe Bryant, and they don't have shots like that either. So yes, I made my wife watch that play six times. Yes, I screamed Mo Evans four times. And yes, it made me like Mo Evans more as a person. And since I do not ever see shots like that I don't know if ridiculous statements like "those types of plays can get a guy going" are true or not, so at least for one night, I plan to believe this game just birthed a new Mo Evans.
A bloggers dream
All things considered, second of a back to back, road game, playoff team. You take this win, and I find it all the more gratifying that the ways many of us preach worked and the ways many of us lament did not. It was the antithesis of last night. It seems so easy. Attack the boards, push the pace, pound the paint. Cliches galore, but cliches that work for this team. It is why poor third quarters are so frustrating. No one is asking the Hawks to reinvent the wheel. We just want them to roll the one already invented.
Victory Bullets
- Marvin rebounds. Marvin defends. Marvin cuts to the basket. Marvin hits half his jumpers. Marvin is awesome. It all seems so easy.
- Following Jeff Teague's one rebound, he pushed the ball as hard as I have seen a Hawks move all season. Naturally, no one was down across half court when he was in layup position.
- Mario West's dunk could not have epitomized him any more than it did. Garbage time, trying when no one else is, falling down afterward. Mario being Mario.
- Do the Bulls run an offense that tries to limit Derrick Rose's assist totals?
- What a weird offensive game for Jamal Crawford. Before looking at the box score, I would have said he didn't score a lot or shoot well but they were loud baskets. Instead, he was 6 for 13 for 21 points. How did that happen? I thought he was like 3 for 15 with all his makes being three pointers. Don't try and figure out Jamal on offense. Just don't do it.
- I wish Marvin Williams got a technical every game.
- First shots by Mike Bibby. Drilled. And that was that for the night. Goes without saying Bibby is really struggling. The question is not whether he should start or not. He should. Or whether he should get 20 minutes or so. He should. But whether Teague should start to get more burn with the first team this season. Come playoff time, I would love to feel confident putting Teague out there for 15 minutes.
- Since this summer, Acie Law and Flip Murray have been on a combined five teams.
Go Hawks!
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Games don't get more fun.
Road win. Mild drama. Techs on quiet guys. Zaza layups. Josh Smith turning into Otis Smith. A 41-point 4th. 63 rebounds. Mario West. Over-the-backboard shots. Marvin’s thuggish halftime interview.
Not bad, Hawks. Not bad at all.
And then in the highlights for February
they show Marvin on a breakaway doing the “Mailman” dunk. He is all about being a good sport. Marvin is great. I think tonight showed how much better this team is with him in the 4th instead of Mike.
by BravesFanScout on Mar 1, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
as a bulls fan allow me to answer your fourth point: yes. to the extent that they run anything.
p.s.—when hes even a bit “on,” josh smith is the coolest player in the nba. if you liked scottie just a little more than michael for reasons purely qualitative, you must love josh smith a whole bunch.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
I love watching Josh interact with the Refs. He is either making his WTF face at them or bursting out laughing with them.
"Hey Fat Kid...the monster is right behind you! RUNNNN!!" -The Host
by bwellnjonesco on Mar 2, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
Your argument for Teague minutes
works for ZaZa as well. 15 minutes give Josh and Al the rest they need. He looked healthy and the energy was back. Feed a big- get a win
Reporting from the enemy ground zero
Saw the game at a bar in Chicago and loved every minute. I could not keep quiet when Mo did the over the backboard Larry Legend type shot. At that point i started getting dirty looks from the bar folks, but no matter. Loved every minute of it.
As for Marvin, let’s just say Woody needs to keep that same line up in the game near the end every game. Marvin’s game is built on confidence. He needs to have the confidence, and Hawks with Marvin as the third pillar of the flying dunking jumping loving Hawks, makes us a scary bunch. Go Marvin, and don’t let missing jumpers affect you, attack, always attack young man.
We had a score to settle, it is settled. Only after that Mario West dunk on those fat ugly cows. Score settled, cows should have never won that game back in Chicago earlier. Order is restored to the birds of the world!!!
Can i say i love Rookie? God i wish we see more of him. He fits us like a glove. Yes he makes stupid turnovers, but Jesus he is a rookie. He is fast and just attacks. Rookie is becoming my favorite player. Can we have a t-shirt for him please? I buy 2 of those.
What can one say about Smoove? Simply with the exception of the king, the scariest player in the world? i take our version, LOVE Smoove. MVP of Hawks? How about best players of Hawks?
Well one more day in the frozen tundra that is called the windy city, and then back to the loving south. Can’t wait for the sight of that Delta plane and its loveable peanut snacks – Go Hawks
Good Game
This is a team we should beat with the injuries (Rose, Deng, Noah) and we beat them badly. Love J-Smooth’s game. If he can hit his jumpers and free throws consistently, he’ll be unstoppable (Mark Price anyone). Marvin needs to continue doing what he did last night, move without the ball, this is what made J-Chill so good. The only beef I had was Jeff Teague. He played well, but someone left a comment earlier that he can get to the basket whenever he wants, but where are the cutters. He gets in the lane with nowhere to go, not his fault. Woody needs to set up plays around him. In his offense, the guards shoot to many jump shots so Teauge is struggling. He is underutilized and can be a force if we use him right. Other than that, great win, keep it going.
"Opposition in my face, trying to play the fence, I'm bigger than this dude, this don't make no sense, I Air Jordan on 'em". - K-Drama
by Sterling Platinum on Mar 2, 2010 9:31 AM EST reply actions
I’d like to see Teague get more minutes in the 4th quarter. His defense would be a big improvement over the usual nothing from Crawford and Bibby and the ball in his hands would help the Hawks avoid their usual jump shot/iso happy offensive collapses.
I don’t know why really but I like Marvin and it makes me happy when he has good games like that. He could be very important the next few years if Joe isn’t re-signed so it would be a good idea for the Hawks to figure out how to get him back into the flow of the offense again now.
I'm starting to be more and more in favor of letting Joe walk...
or if it makes us better, a sign and trade (like say moving Bibby’s deal out and bringing in a top notch young backcourt player and some expiring contracts). But seeing Joe dribble out for what seemed like 10-15 seconds to get a shot clock violation was ridiculous. No Joe means MUCH less ISO, which means more Smooth passes, more Horford and Marvin touches, and perhaps a better balanced offense. Maybe it allows Teague to develop into a PG that can push the pace and create through penetration as the ball moves and opens creases. I’m ready for Joe to go, and perhaps Woody can actually coach an offense when it happens.
I'm beginning to think without Joe...
Smooth is ready to flourish, Marvin will expand his game as will Horford. If we can form a strong backcourt capable of hitting outside shots and playing strong D, that’s a fine starting unit with the makings of some decent pieces on the bench (Zaza).
I get the logic.
I really do. I just worry because I am about 50/50 on Josh being able to carry the load. Sure he’s great at times, but I do not trust him to create shots on a consistent basis.
I also worry about finding a defender that can be as effective as Joe is. After him, there’s a huge drop-off in the back court.
I'm not concerned about Smooth "carrying the load"
if we can get the right pieces in the backcourt. Jamal likely handles that next year, and if we find the right PG (Teague?) then they are setting the tone and creating shots instead of Josh.
Plus you also have to consider what can be brought in with the money otherwise spent on Joe, be it the return package of a sign and trade (maybe Monta Ellis, Kirk Hinrich, Ray Allen, etc), or from free agency (Chill back to strengthen the bench, Lebron if he was serious about signing for rings instead of $, Rudy Gay, Mike Miller, Roger Mason, etc). Or we just hold the money until 2011 when Crawford is off the books too, and go after a big name like Caron Butler, Rodney Stuckey, Tony Parker, or Sundiata Gaines.
Deal Joe and Bibby for Hinrich...
since the Bulls have space, they can fit them in. Sign a wing, either Rudy Gay or backup wing like Chill or Miller)
Next year run
Hinrich/Teague
Crawford/Miller
Marvin/Miller
Smooth/Zaza
Horford/Draft pick or Pryzbilla
Let Crawford and Hinrich’s deals expire and sign Stuckey or Butler, if not Gay the year before
2011-2012 run
Teague/Gaines
Stuckey, Gay or Butler/Miller
Marvin/Miller
Smooth/Zaza
Horford/draft pick or Pryzbilla
Joe's defense has been super spotty this year
Obviously next to Bibby and Jamal he still looks great, but his defense has not been there this season for many games.
@cocoqt81
JJ and Jamal and the guards role will diminish over time but with more efficiency. They can score as much with fewer shots.
Losing JJ would not help. Let’s just evolve.
by RivBoatGambler on Mar 2, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Replacing Bibby would change everything. A good PG controls the ball and who get's it.
a better solution. At least limit his minutes to 20 and then trade next year.
by RivBoatGambler on Mar 2, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
This means nothing
In terms of letting Joe go. If this was against the Cavs, Lakers, Magic, Dallas, or the Spurs maybe this point would be valid. This Chicago team didn’t even have all of it’s starters, granted the outcome might have been the same, but the Hawks are a way better team than what was out there. It would have been a travesty not to win. Absolute travesty….Only disagreeing with you but I think it’s pretty premature to talk about Joe walking.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
And also
Everybody is reluctant to give the ball to the point and let him lead like Dallas does Kidd and Phoenix does Nash and Boston does Rondo. Those teams know to give the point the ball unless they have a break away layup or dunk. Those things should be taught to our points so that our bigs won’t have the pressure of dribbling.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
i have checked youtube no less than five times already
and it was not the dunk of the game on nba.com which is travesty.
Truly an injustice to not show that dunk repeatedly.
On the flip side, Mo’s, over-the-backboard, shot was number 3 on SC top 10, and number 1 was Marvin to Josh, alley-oop, one hand jam, take that!
Here ya go.
Go here.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
Thoughts on the future...
Whoever mentioned getting monta ellis instead of Joe would only be a worse version of JJ. That guy never passes and shoots way more than Joe. I would worry about Josh carrying the load cause a lot of times its not Joe’s fault he’s stuck in a situation where he has to take the iso shot. Do we want Smoove in a situation where he is iso’d in the corner with 6 seconds on the shot clock and having to jack up a 20 footer? What we need is a point guard that can make JJ what he was with the Suns, an off the ball shooter and attacker. That would solve everything
This game was an example of well the Hawks play together...
and I even thought Joe did a good job (minus the one posession of overdribbling) of dishing out the ball. There were a few times where he attacked and found the open man. When they attack the glass and move the ball, they are a beautiful team to watch. Hopefully this gets the Hawks back on track.
oh yeah
That blogabull game thread was the funniest profanity laced thread I’ve seen this year. Especially when Rose got hurt
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
blogabull brings the profanity full force
they truly hate their players. it is a joy to watch from afar.
Which is odd because we seem to all embrace our roster.
Like I feel like i’ve grown up with these guys and have some odd High Def bond with them 4 times a week.
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