What the hawks need to improve on
Fire Mike Woodson. Sure, he's brought the hawks from a 13 win team to a top contender in the east, but was it really him? Any coach given that amount of talent to work with can at least do something win it. What has he done? He's set up a primitive defense and a primitive offense. Our defense consists of switching... ON EVERYTHING..... I mean, switching is a great strength of ours because from our SG to C the players are generally the same height, but switching should be selective. Why do we switch Bibby and Hortford? Switches that cause mismatches like that should only be done towards the end of the shot clock. I've seen many plays where bibby has ended up guarding a PF or joe has ended up guarding a Center, and i would forgive them if it happened once or twice, but it happens so many times more that that... He's defensive minded but he doesn't have the mind to teach it. Why can't he switch it up every once in awhile and put a zone defense. That way the Bibby hole on defense would be less obvious On offense it's just a lot of plays to get someone open for a pass so that they can do an isolation play, or run the ball. Running the ball is really good for the hawks, but it can't be done every single time without a great PG, but what structure is there in our offense? none.
One thing that fires me up about mike woodson is that he never develops any rookies. You can make an argument for Hortford and smith, but what has he actually taught them? Smith still relies heavily on his athleticism and can't even use it correctly, and hortford was a very sound player who went to college for four years. Hortford's development has come naturally. Smith has not actually gotten better unless he was working with players such as hakeem olajuwon on footwork and such. With marvin, he has not gotten better at anything that deals with team skills, such as passing, positioning, rebounding, etc.... but he has developed one on one skills such as shooting, which he already had a great shooting for when he came into the league, but after saying all of this.. what has mike woodson done for them? A great coach, or even a good coach develops players at least somewhat.. Any spurs player improves greatly when playing under Greg Popovich. In fact, greg popovich makes use of any player he has to the greatest he possibly can. If oberto was on any other team, then no one would ever have heard of him. Manu and Parker were both 2nd round nobodies. What happened to Nazr Mohammed when he left the spurs? Everyone on the spurs knows how to defend and pass. Why can't Mike Woodson take the time to develop any young players... How many rookies have become successful under mike woodson... i can name 3. How many have disappeared into free agent oblivion? What happened to Salim? What happened to Roy al Ivey? What happened to Donta Smith? Where is Solomon Jones? Sheldon Williams????? Boris Diaw showed quite a gifted display of skill after he left the hawks. I feel really bad for Acie Law, who was a lottery pick. Josh Childress may have developed, but that was just from getting used to the NBA.. He honestly never really improved. Mike, play teague more, play bibby less, teach them how to play basketball!!!!!! with the talent josh smith has... he should be a definite allstar... he should be considered to be a part of the elite. may be a lot of it is his fault, but this doesn't take away the fault of Woodson. What happened to Marvin? if he was playing with another coach, his development would have been much better.
Now with individual players, there must be much more improvement. First starts with Josh Smith, the backbone of the team. He is the most important because when he is having a great game, everyone else is having a great game. He has the ability to change the momentum of the game and bring the hawks an enormous amount of energy. However, if this occurred more often the hawks would be the team to beat. First of all, Josh needs to improve his jumpshot. He needs to have a 15-17 footer that goes in consistently so that players cannot sag off of him. That way he can take advantage of the mismatches he poses every game. No PF can stay in front of Smith. If there is one, then they will not be strong enough, most likely. With that jumper, he needs improved ball handling skills in order to take advantage of his speed. That way he can drive past defenders even without a jumpshot. then josh needs to take it to the basket with full speed and power. He needs to go up STRONG and aggressively. No one can compete with his height and vertical. He needs to dunk more often because he obviously has the ability to, and not just on fast breaks but in half court situations. He needs to play like chris bosh and KG and Amare, but also a little hint of Lebron. With the jumpshot and ball handling, he needs to improve on his touch around the basket. He misses a lot of lay ups and he relies heavily on his left hand. He needs to be adept with both hands and must also develop a reliable little hook shot. Also he needs to learn a face up, high-post game, like boozer, but also learn a back-to-basket, low post game, like a time duncan. Josh already has good passing ability shown with his 3.7 assists a game which is leading the league in the PF spot, but his passing is more because of natural vision. the accuracy of his passes are pretty iffey, but once josh become good enough offensively to be double teamed, his passes would help open up teammates which will make him even more of a player that gets the team going.
Joe Johnson needs many improvements, but none of them are skill. Skill wise, he could just use a little improvement in passing and shooting and whatnot, but his main issues deal with his mentality. If he got 8 FT a game scoring would be so much easier for him he would average around 2 or 3 more points just from free throws. He should play more aggressively and draw some fouls. When he posts up, no one can effectively guard him except a few 2s and 3s. He never takes advantage of that and just waits for a double team to come, but if he just took advantage and used the post up to score instead of just drawing a double team then the double teams would come harder creating more open shots for other players, he just needs to stop isolating, and make quick aggressive moves to the basket. His floaters are great, but he rarely does it. He shoots his floater less often than he should. He also has a nice baby hook and a nice shooting touch. if he learns a fade away, then the double team would come earlier and passing it would be easier. If the pass is made early the ball movement should be quicker. Also i often see JJ miss some wide open threes. the majority of his points come from pull ups after a lot of over dribbling. he needs to establish an aggressive tempo to start off then just score off of easy buckets with cuts and fast breaks and some little post ups or an open jumper, then towards the final minutes of the game take over with isolations. When the tempo is established he should just be more of a facilitator, until the tempo is broken or his scoring domination is needed. Also, when he is double teamed, then he should pass it out quickly with will call for quicker ball movement and scrambling of the defense.
Marvin Williams is another key for the hawks. He has the ability, but doesn't use it. He needs to play like how he played last year. when he gets the ball, he should take it to the hole and get a foul call. he needs to use his athleticism in this point of his career and make a few cuts every now and then. Mike woodson should have a couple of plays a game to get marvin going offensively. That way it'll open up more for the other team members. Also, his threes have improved, but he should keep improving them. That way, he can be a defensive player that can shoot threes and slash to the basket, but also a scorer that can score on will when he is on fire. he should play like Paul Pierce. They have similar body structures. Marvin needs to get stronger and get ball handling so that he can use it to get past any defender. also he needs to be able to post up, just like paul pierce and absolutely bully defenders.
Al Hortford needs to keep shooting that mid range. He needs to get it to a point where you must absolutely defend that shot. Also, defensively, since he's a little undersized, he needs to play like a Ben Wallace, and just defend with that kind of intensity and energy. Hortford is a decent passer but he could use a little more work on that. Also, he needs to get more back to basket moves, as long as high post moves, and perform them with more fluidity. Another thing is he could use better ball handling skill because he loses control of the ball often which prevents him from beating his defender as well as he could. He just needs to learn the post game, and how to score without using brute strength. His fadeaways should go in more considering his shooting touch, but if he can make his fadeaway a deadly weapon then it'll become, well, a deadly weapon. He needs to execute his offensive moves with more fluidity. His moves seem a bit rigid as of now. He should be like a Zach Randolph, or Amare Stoudemire. Zach randolph does not have overpowering height or strength or athleticism. He is like a big man version of andre miller. Stoudemire can score with skill and athleticism. If hortford can use his athleticism(not as good as Stoudemires but solid athleticism) and also score with skill then he'd be a pretty deadly offensive force.
Jeff Teague needs to learn a lot in the next 2 years from Mike Bibby and Jamal Crawford. He also needs to learn how to become his own player. Take the positives and leave the negatives. If Teague can become a respectible defensive player and offensive player, then i can see the hawks becoming the team to beat within a couple of years. As Bibby steps down, i'd want a PG just like him offensively, but better defensively. However, teague is also pretty athletic, so he needs to learn the PG position: understanding tempo, momentum, ball distribution, how and when to pass, and decision making. then become a scorer second, which he already has shown talent of. His jumpshot is sort of low, and he sort of palms the shot so it doesn't get much rotation. As a result i don't see him becoming a great shooter, but he can become a good shooter. With all that he should be a PG that can drive the ball in like no other. He needs some ball handling moves that can get him pass any player. Learn how to run the pick and roll. He needs a reliable floater. He should get stronger without losing his speed.
ZAZA needs to further develop his 15 foot jumper. Recently he's been showing signs of a nice shooting touch. Also, when he gets the ball he needs to make an aggressive move to the basket, and learn some post moves. I love the way ZAZA shows and plays with so much intensity. If he shows more offensive production, he can fire up the team, as well as contribute more to the offense.
All the other players are already developed or have no problems that can really be fixed. Mike Bibby is too old and he's a veteran that won't really improve, unless he suddenly pulls a steve nash. Crawford just needs to keep doing what he's doing. He's not the perfect player, and he doesn't always take the smartest shots, but most teams need a player like him, who can absolutely explode on offense. Mo Evans has shown great shooting touch, and pretty sruprising athleticism, but he does not have the ball handling skills to use those skills to the fullest. He could also learn a little post game since he's pretty strong, but Mo evans is pretty old also and probably will not improve. Mario West can improve though. With watching him, he seems to have an extremely similar body style to dwayne wade, and he is really strong and very athletic. If he could develop ball handling, shooting, offensive awareness, and coordination, then he could become a potent offensive force. His defense also needs some work. Sure he is considered a good defensive player, but he only has to play in like 1-2 minute stretches and he tends to foul a lot. He shows great anticipation in rebounding. He seems to be really quick, and explosive, but he's already 25, and it's highly unlikely that he will develop those skills.
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I agree with these improvements
the one I would love to happen next year is smoove hitting a 15-16 midrange jumper consistently. he would be even more lethal.
by Hawksgirl on Feb 3, 2010 10:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
you show up everywhere
and i’m freaking glad there are hawks fans like me… i hate bandwagon hoppers, but it’s also a sign of the hawks playing well, which is a good thing, but i’ve stuck with the hawks through thick and thin. go hawks…. i think it’s kind of weird that you’re a girl though, don’t take that the wrong way
by Djseoh on Feb 3, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you 12?
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
by Jesse28 on Feb 4, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol why is it weird?
Girls like basketball as much as guys do and before you ask I do watch girl basketball too but I grew up with the hawks and stay with them through it all.
by Hawksgirl on Feb 4, 2010 8:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
contradiction Hawksgirl
I remember you asking Josh to stop taking jumpers. How is he suppose to hit them/improve if he stops taking them?
by dkrib on Feb 4, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
contradiction Hawksgirl
I remember you asking Josh to stop taking jumpers. How is he suppose to hit them/improve if he stops taking them?
by dkrib on Feb 4, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol very true
His Jumpshot form is so ugly to me and I hate when he goes up for even a buzzer beater but I’m starting to realize that he is getting better at the midrange jumper so I have to learn to get used to it but I can’t help but cringe when he takes one. that’s gonna take me a while to overcome.
by Hawksgirl on Feb 4, 2010 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
his shot
i don’t think it’s that ugly…. it’s just really slow and it’s a lot to do with him being left handed….if he was right handed it wouldn’t be that ugly, but it’s slow as heck… his release needs to be quicker and that comes with him being more comfortable shooting
by Djseoh on Feb 4, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny
Fire Mike Woodson was the first words of this
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
by maxxj3 on Feb 5, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Okay
I tried to read all of this, but there’s plenty of problems just in the first couple of paragraphs.
1) There is no “t” in Horford
2) Horford did not go to college for 4 years.
3) Woodson actually does a pretty gob of hiding Bibby defensively, at least against teams where 1-3 aren’t all very capable scorers
4) Josh Smith has actually improved a great deal since being a young player. You may not be able to attribute it to Woodson, but to casually suggest he hasn’t is a true disservice to the player he’s become.
by Bronn on Feb 5, 2010 6:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
and sure he does do a good job of hiding bibby initially, but when they switch like they do, Bibby is more exposed than he was in the beginning. He has a good overall defensive scheme but he needs to get more detail oriented. Sure switching is a strength of ours but when we do it overly, it kills us. Also, our defense is mainly respectable for the efforts of Smith and Horford. Yes, Josh Smith has improved, but it’s mainly just getting used to the NBA and learning how to use his athleticism. Skill-wise, not much has improved… can he shoot a jumper? no. His passing has gotten better but he came into the league as a talented passer. he always misses little hooks shots and some shots next to the rim.
by Djseoh on Feb 6, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you certainly have opinions
I’m not a huge Mike Woodson fan, but let’s be fair when we criticize him. Basically the success of Horford and Smith have nothing to do with Woody, but every rookie that failed is his fault? The comments about not developing rookies is one that we hear often on here, but I don’t think it holds much water.
Before we talk about Hawks players, what in the world are you talking about with Nazr and the Spurs? He was eight years in the league before joining them the first time, so he was anything but a young player being developed by Popovich. And please check his career stats; no noticable difference with the Spurs than the teams before or after. Besides, what team wouldn’t love to have a coach like Popovich? If only cloning technology had come a little farther.
Royal Ivey got significant minutes for the Bucks and did nothing with them. Donte Smith is no longer in the league. Salim was a streak shooter with no defense that was lucky to have a role on a shallow Hawks bench. Solomon Jones has shown no improvement with more minutes on the Pacers this year. Sheldon Williams has been in the league for six years and plays for a different team every season. Of course Diaw was a developing talent that was ready to explode, that’s why we were able to get JJ for him (seems both players dramatically improved with the change of scenery… and Diaw is not as good without great players around him… watch a Bobcats game). Acie Law has been a bust outside of Atlanta so far. Every Hawks fan knows that Josh Childress steadily improved and was poised to play a big role before he left. But as far as letting him go to Greece, I will say that some of the blame has to lie with Woodson, as well as the Atlanta Spirit Group. Jeff Teague was the 19th pick, and he has flashes of brilliance, but maybe he doesn’t have what it takes to be our future starting point guard. Is that so difficult to believe?
So Woodson must really do a number on these kids, huh? To the extent that they are permanently scarred and unable to improve on any team. Maybe these were just lame duck picks, which means the finger should be pointed at management (Marvin Williams being the biggest flop, but he was overated because of “potential”).
A bad coach lets a player like Josh Smith rip off technicals, disrupt the team, and stunt his ability to mature. A bad coach doesn’t get every important free agent to return after last season. There are a handful of NBA coaches that would blow Woodson out of the water. But they aren’t lining up to work for The Atlanta Spirit Group and coach the Hawks. Woody will likely be fired one day (aren’t they all?), but to can him right now would be ridiculously stupid and unjustified.
Let's push this bird out of the nest.
by Yes I Am A Hawks Fan on Feb 6, 2010 6:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's not that
First of all, may be teague does’t have what it takes, but he doesn’t get enough playing time for anyone to see that, and in the preseason Woody did nothing but praise him. He is the one who pushed to get Marvin Williams, and what did he do with his little prospect? If a player wants to get a technical, then he will. It has nothing to do with the coach. Rasheed has gotten SO many technicals, and you can’t say he’s played for bad coaches. A coach can’t control a player as much as you think. Allen Iverson has almost never gotten along with a coach unless Iverson was able to do whatever he wanted. it’s not just about developing players but it’s also about how to use the players that you have. Popovich, brown and jackson do an excellent job of that, and i know i just named 3 of the best coaches, but even decent coaches give their players a role. When Brown was a free agent, why didn’t we sign him as a coach…. My main problem is that I’m pretty sure the hawks could play the same way at the exact same level with out Mike Woodson, except for playing time and who to put in, but even so, he still let’s his players play as much as they want (JJ playing 40 minutes a game bc he wanted to). I’d rather have steve smith or dominique coach than Woody. Like i feel like he’s just there, and he doesn’t really do much. The fact is even if Woody failed i’d rather have him actually do something than just sit there and letting his players do whatever.
With the hawks players, what i’m trying to say is not the fact that he’s not developing them, but also the fact on how to USE the players. With players like Solo, Donta, and Ivey it’s not about making them into superstars. I never thought that would happen, but it’s about using them and developing them into role players. The only players he uses are players that already know how to play and he just expects those that are young to learn naturally. I just don’t think he really understands the game of basketball.
by Djseoh on Feb 6, 2010 3:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you make some good points
Sometimes it is hard for us as fans to know what is going on from a coaching perspective. Is Joe taking a quick, rushed shot because of bad play-calling, or is he just making bad decisions. If it is the latter, is it not the coaches job to keep his players in line?
A particular coaching style generally has its pros and cons, you just hope that the pros outweigh the cons for your team. Larry Brown is a great coach. But he certainly has come under criticism, one being that he doesn’t play rookies enough, so no help for Teague there. He also is fairly hard on his players, which can work wonders on certain guys but at times can polarize a team when things aren’t going good. Besides, Brown is not loyal to the teams he coaches; he briefly used the Hawks interest in him years ago as a pawn to get more money somewhere else. As far as Jackson and Popovich, these guys have had immense talent to work with, not to take anything away from their accomplishments.
Let’s be honest, Woodson was not a good coach early in his Hawks tenture. But he has grown with this team, and I think he is doing a great job using his personnel this year. His play-calling you can certainly question at times, but again, it can be hard to judge. But listen to any Mike Woodson interview, see him on the sidelines… the guy definitely cares and has a genuine passion. If you replaced him now, you would be sending a message to everybody on this team that we have failed to live up to our potential, and you would lose everything that has built up over the past five years. If we fall below the four seed, and/or we seriously flop come playoff time, firing Woodson will be a legitimate argument.
At this point in the NBA season there is the Cavs and the Lakers on top, followed by a large group of very good teams that we are part of. Looking at our talent level compared to these other good teams, I think we are right where I’d expect us to be… no better, no worse. These next few weeks are going to be the defining moment in Woodson and these Hawks future. I hope that you are wrong about your assessment, but only time will tell.
Let's push this bird out of the nest.
by Yes I Am A Hawks Fan on Feb 7, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true
with woodson, i mean i guess firing him would not be the best move at the moment, but the things i mentioned were not points that can be addressed at the moment. Yes, Woodson is still a young coach and he’s learning the game, but i think the hawks are at a talent level where they need a coach that can take it to the next level. I just hope that woodson can learn to coach with what’s best for his team. With Larry Brown, he’s always been a coach that can work extremely well with players that already know how to play, but even with a young team he can do a lot(charlotte), and you’re mentioning of Boris Diaw earlier, he played greatly last season for charlottle, and not so much this season. The thing is charlotte has become a team with an identity and they play pretty good defense. the hawks still struggle with identity at times, and a lot of times they struggle too often. I think that we should keep things the way they are not, but to get to the next level we need a diff. coaching style or a more refined system. One thing i like about Woodson is that he always gets his players to show great character, aside from a few birds from josh, but that is not a big deal at all.
by Djseoh on Feb 7, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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