Dallas Mavericks 111, Atlanta Hawks 103 or tears, just tears
Wasting an effort like that from Josh Smith should be criminal. Charges need to be filed. I have already cried so naturally I have moved to anger. Under nine minutes to go in the fourth and the Hawks were up 15, playing great. Why? Why? Why? And I am crying again.
Lets just bullet point the blame.
- You know how bad Jamal Crawford is at defense? He is infinitely worse at transition defense.
- Al Horford missing shots he normally makes and not making up for it on the boards.
- Dirk.
- Brendan Haywood wanted it more than any other player. He was dark horse MVP.
- The non-call on Jason Terry's travel that resulted in a three point play for Haywood. That led to an offensive rebound by Kidd and a three by Terry.
- Joe Johnson's contested 34 foot three pointer.
- The overtime where the Hawks didn't show up.
- Dallas playing better. The Jason Kidd steal on Horford was not Horford's fault. It was good defense. Trust me, I am one to blame the Hawks first always, and they deserve a lot of blame, but Dallas hit their shots. You make the extra pass, you still have to hit the shot, and the Mavs did. They are good.
That last one is to fill in your own. Let the venting begin. You're welcome.
Jason Kidd, Paul Pierce and Dwyane Wade say welcome.
Jason Kidd's "smart" play did not lose it for the Hawks so I am not going to rail it is as cheap or ridiculous or anything like that (although it looked like Woody was off the floor by the time contact happened). The Hawks lost because they allowed an 11 point swing to happen in the fourth quarter. Because they gave up 34 points in the fourth. Because they refused to get back on defense in the first quarter. The Hawks lost because of the Hawks. And if miracle of miracles you can discern the one point that sent the game to overtime and that one point was the technical foul well then you can blame Mike Woodson.
That all being said, if I was going isolate it out of this specific game, that play was the next level beyond flopping. So yea flopping is fine and legal, but it takes a certain type of player to really go for it, to say I plan to win by flopping. And this was the level beyond flopping. Maybe you give Jason Kidd the benefit of the doubt if Kidd was known as a nice guy off the court, but it is well documented that he is not a nice guy. In fact, the documents say he is a complete and total ass. Have fun with your post basketball life Jason.
Loser Dots
- What is it with Dallas and the Hawks going on enor
- You are not going to see a streaky first half. You can try, but you won't see on.
- One of Marion's 28 dunks or layups in the first quarter happened when Jamal Crawford tried to have an easy run out dunk for the Hawks on the Jason Terry shot. Jason Terry didn't shoot it.
- "What you want from an athletic small forward is 6-7 rebounds and running the floor hard" Hubie Brown on what Marvin Williams should be. I concur. If only Marv got the minutes to get those numbers on a consistent basis.
- Josh Smith has passes that make you cry happy tears.
- 34 points in the fourth quarter, no Marvin Williams. Hoopinion first started hammering it, and it is getting ridiculous. I think I need to get credentials just to ask about this. As for now, I will form my opinion which is that it is idiotic.
- Maybe it is because the crowd often starts so subdued, but announcers talk about Atlanta being a playoff atmosphere a lot considering, you know, the Atlanta crowd apparently sucks.
Go Hawks!
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The Mavs Got Hot, The Hawks became the Hawks
The Mavs got hot. Hotter than I ever expected them to be in the fourth quarter, but hot is exactly what should have been expected given the previous quarter.
This loss was substitution avoidable. You take out Bibby and we have a real nice match up advantage. How many times did Jason Kidd get an open three pointer because the Hawks had to make an extra adjustment to make him for being on anyone besides Jose Barea. You put in Marvin and all that extra help is not even necessary.
Bibby, Crawford, Johnson in the same line up is usually going to be a lost. I am tired of it and Mike Woodson and the Hawks should be tired of it too.
Moving on. let’s not forget how ridiculously hot the Hawks got in the second.
Hey the Atlanta crowd was great
On 790am they talked about how the crowd was pretty good. They talked trash to the other team, mainly Dirk and Kidd, and got into the game. Now, that probably backfired on us….
But, on to this horrid mess on a fourth quarter, which boggles my mind that when Dallas was on a run to take the lead, there was no time out called to regroup when there was two time outs left.
The Hawks apparently found the best way to attack a zone, by jump shooting! Josh Smith flirted with a quadruple double, but what would have put the icing on the cake would have been getting to the foul line late in the game. I guess I could say that about everybody. Joe Johnson, Jamal, Mike Bibby, Horford, all non-existent in overtime and the final minutes of the fourth quarter. Like I said a long time ago, I really don’t like the hawks shooting a lot of three pointers. Mike Woodson’s on the court/Kidd/elbow/tech didn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. And horford needs help, a little assistance if you will, with getting the ball right when he cals for it. Especially since the man’s been on the court the whole game. I could hear him calling for help on the boards.
Jason Kidd found the fountain of youth in the tired hawks legs or the hawks youthful inexperience or plain stupidity or whatever you want to call it. 16 rebounds???? Dallas’ fourth quarter execution included passing into good shots and playing inside out and in overtime playing inside out with Kidd inside and Dirk out. It has taken a long time for Dirk to realize he has to pass sometimes and play defense and now he’s putting it together at the hawks expense.
This game should have been a win, but the hawks turned it into an L ( not giving Dallas any credit at all). There have been too many games like this against “inferior” (Golden State) and “superior” (Cleveland) and this begs the question…..How good can we feel about this team the rest of the season if nothings going to change?
(Live by the jump shot, die by the jumpshot….never wins championships)
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
starting to get more upset about the Kidd play
if they went and looked at the replay, they should have seen Woody was out of bounds.
that was a borderline call that should have never been called
Kidd extended his elbow and that would have made him out of bounds right?
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That's my rationale. If you see that Woody is out of bounds, and Kidd extends his elbow
common sense would tell them that he’s out of bounds. They didn’t/couldn’t go the replay so in that split second, the refs made a “pull it out of your ass” call and it was against us. Thank you NBA refs….AGAIN!!!
They had to call it against Woody
because he was two steps out on the floor, which is an automatic tech. Refs might not notice this normally but Kidd did the smart thing by making them notice it—and whether or not he initiated the contact, Kidd has the right to that space, all the way over to the endline. If he goes out bounds it’s a tech on Kidd, but even the slightest imposition of Kidd’s space is a tech on Woody.
It was the right call, and Woody made a seriously stupid mistake and got busted. Hey, and one more thing: the Mavs just punked the Hawks in basketball IQ at the end of that game.
The Hawks are really becoming a bunch of chokers. Not very nice of them, makes me pretty upset…and things like Woody’s idiocy on a play like that just get me more pissed at the team. What a joke.
He wasn't!! It doesn't matter where he was when Kidd came by.
The fact that he was out of the coaching box—-WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY out—is what got him the T. Kidd just made sure they saw it.
Sorry I don't agree. Woody may have been out of the coaching box but Kidd initiated the contact OUT OF BOUNDS.
Best case scenario both s/b called for tech…off setting each other…end of ball game
Further...
Even if Kidd initiated contact with a coach who was legally out of bounds, Woody was in violation of the coaching box rule seconds before that—in effect, Woody’s screw-up negated what Kidd did, which was incidental contact anyway because Woody was literally jumping back when Kidd touched him. And Kidd was clearly still in bounds himself.
And one more...
I don’t get why anyone would want to let Woody off the hook for that. It was one the stupidest things I have ever seen by a coach in any sport. Kidd should never, ever have had the opportunity to do that.
I'm not hardly taking up for Woody, but don't act like you've never seen a coach outside the coaching box before
You just basically agreed with my point that if Kidd initiated contact with Woody the two technicals would have off set each other. Hence NO free throws. You can’t have it both ways. Either Woody was inbounds or he wasn’t. Either Kidd initiated contact or he didn’t. I’m not going to argue because nothing you can write will make me change my mind on this one. The refs probably don’t know what the hell happened. It was Kidd that called that to their attention. At any rate, he could have been putting on the biggest acting job ever. Without the refs using the instant replay, they had to basically rely on the theatrics of Kidd. I’m done with it. There is no sense in arguing about it. It’s a done deal another one in the L column. Moving on to the Bucks now.
As JJ has said...
“coaches are always on the floor but nobody tries to run into them.” i’m just wondering, what if a hawk did that?
oh, might as well add insult to injury
The Hawks are a mesmerizing 32-3 when leading with five minutes left in the fourth quarter. But two of those gaffes have come in the last week.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I am beginning to think the second Cleveland game has messed with their heads.
They’ve blown double-digit 4th qtr leads at least five times, starting with the Cleveland game…Cle, Bulls, Knicks, Warriors, Mavs. At least that’s as many as I can think of; there may have been more.
I wasn't broken hearted about this game last night but this morning
after reading all of the recaps, I’m borderline suicidal. I actually thought it was a very entertaining game. When the debacle began, I was screaming for a time out to regroup. Mark Bradley blogged during the game that Woody only had 1 left. I don’t know how true that is, but I’m hoping he’s correct. My biggest gripe about this game is our inability to adjust to the zone defense. WTF is that all about. This is not the first game we’ve loss because of it. Now all teams will know, throw zone defense at the Hawks and they completely shut down. I felt bad for Smoove because he gave it his all last night and was rewarded with a big fat L. Eventually he’s going to stop trying. (God, I hope not)
On to the Jason Kidd debacle. I don’t care what anybody says, Woody was not on the court when he came by. Kidd initiated contact with him. I don’t think it was a savvy play at all. The league needs to be very careful on this issue. I can just see it now: guys starting to take advantage of making contact with the opponents’ coach. That’s setting themselves up for somebody getting hurt. Mark my words.
yeah
Joe Johnson already said he plans on trying that run-into-the-coach tech in the yahoo team report.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
You guys just don't get it
—if Woody’s not on the court it’s a tech on Kidd. If Woody is out on the court before contact, it’s a tech on Woody. There’s no gray area with that rule: out of the box=T.
arguing a call
not saying that changes the call on Woody, but coaches are out all the time. It is like grabbing the ball from a guy who just traveled and fouling him in the process. and then saying no i did that because he obviously traveled right before that.
kidd through an elbow at a coach. fact.
not saying it is black and white on the Hawks side, but no black and white the other way either.
Hawks homerism runs deep, I guess.
Because with any semblance of objectivity AT ALL you’d be calling it the other way. It WAS pretty black and white.
And Woody’s an idiot.
He can't unring that bell though
Had he handled it the way he should have, maybe the league takes a long hard look at it and fines or suspends Kidd. It won’t help the Hawks, but still. That was a bad call and the coach agreeing with it is just nonsense.
@cocoqt81
well u know....
it’s woody. If we believe he’s a lame duck coach, sure he’s not going to rock the boat after that shot clock protest.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
For once I would like to see him get fined. Phil Jackson doesn't mind getting fined and neither does Doc.
he's tryng to save up his money
cause he doesn’t know where its coming from next year
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I believe if Jamal going to get starter minutes
He might as well start. Unless they’re trying to ensure he gets Sixth man of the year.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I think Marvin should be in the game during the home stretch.
Clearly we’re not getting in done on the defensive end.
Another bitter loss to take - but respect is due Coach Woodson
This is not a game we should have lost. Outside the Kidd-Woody incident, the last quarter was a comedy of errors, starting with Kidd getting the rebound after the free throw miss. I love Lion, but last night, he was making too many mistakes. People complain about why he is not shooting more, but when he is matched against a much bigger, better shot blocking opponent like last night, the result is always the same. Lion Horf needs help and old Sund didn’t help him out.
Yes Woody made a mistake again, not getting Marvin in the game at the end, though Bibster was really shooting well. That is refreshing to see.
I am not going to argue the point of whether Kidd was technically right. He may be and so may the refs. But he is a low-life punk. In street ball, what do you think a gesture like that gets him? If that is what winning basketball is, then basketball is not it. Fortunately we have Kobe and King and Howard and Shaq and players of that ilk, that don’t resort to tactics that are 100% anti-sportsmanlike. So many coaches do what Woody do. Woody did not get in the way of Kidd, Kidd initiated the contact, meaning he used a technicality. Good for him and Mavs, bad for basketball and fans and NBA.
Co Co, I love you but you are wrong about your assessment of coach Woodson after the game. The man has dignity, and is not getting down to the level of a street punk which is what Kidd is. I am for once proud of the way Woody handled himself. Yes after a bitter loss, it may make it feel better to vent, but Woody showed he is bigger than that, as opposed to comments by Kidd. Mavs won then game. They lost out by alienating so many people in ATL for that stuff. Go Hawks
Very well said
the punk thinks he’s smart. showing everyone what stuff you are made of just to win 1 game. that’s not being smart.
on to the next game. go hawks!
I don't mean he should have literally taken shots at Kidd
but YES, he should have protested being on the floor. You don’t go to bat for the other team, that’s idiotic!!!! This has nothing to so with class. If he were clearly and egregiously on the floor, then yeah fall on the sword, but he wasn’t! There is legitimately an argument to be made and he didn’t make it. He failed. Period.
@cocoqt81
He should have been beating the drum
that Kidd came and hit him unnecessarily. Instead, he takes the road of Jason Kidd is a genius and he made a great play. Give me a break. This is honestly the weakest I’ve ever seen him. This has nothing to do with class. This is weakness. Period. He got unnecessarily hit by a player. Period. There was room for an argument and he didn’t make it. The fact that our basketball coach is well known for two things that have nothing to do with his coaching ability should stop all of the defending him. When people think of him, they think of shaved eyebrows and now the coach who got shoved by Jason Kidd. He’s a joke and I don’t want the head coach of my favorite basketball team to be considered a joke.
@cocoqt81
Well, that was very unexpected loss
Smoove played a great game and al just struggled with everything last night. Jamal is still not at his regular level yet. Bibby seems to be back and jj showed up in 3 quarters………As for the “situation.” Kidd is an asshole and should be punished for initiating contact. Really all he had to do was run into woody, not elbow him. So I believe it should have been a double tech. Only thing you can do is move on because the hawks will, but the question for me is whether or not their confidence will go down or up?
Why is Mike Woodson
keeping Marvin Williams on the bench so much during the fourth lately? Does he not understand that having Bibby and Jamal on the court at the same time really hurts our defense? Bibby isn’t having a good offensive year either so I don’t see the point. We can’t seem to score late in games we might as well put Marvin in the game and see if we can get the other team to score less than they would when Mike is in there…. If people do not realize by now… Mike Woodson= Fidiot
Jason Kidd
disrespected Coach and this was a case where he should have stuck up for himself because, if you were paying attention, I mean really paying attention, Kidd ran at Coach after he turned the ball over as a last resort.
No if ands or buts about it, the tech should have gone both ways.
Me thinks Jason’s so called “brilliant play” has started something. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a lot of players charging at coaches from this point on.
I’m stunned this is even allowed.
I mean I’ve seen refs in the way on the court a few times. Who gives techs to refs?
If the tech had gone both ways I would be still stunned but at least feel appeased. I gotta say that play by kid was shady.
From the outside looking in at the arena it looked liked Kidd attacked the coach.
Damn the Hawks have been apart of two shiesty situations that may or may not have eventually cost them the game this season (CAVS, MAVS). What’s going on?
But
the Hawks still had the opportunity to win the game which would have helped appease the Woodson/Kidd situation. A win is always a good remedy. As some have said it is but one game and we must move on and once again start a new winning streak starting with the Bucks on Sunday.
by DPhenomenal1 on Feb 27, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
And the coach took away any possibility
of the league disciplining Kidd when he basically agreed that it was a smart play. Ugh.
@cocoqt81
But let not that one incident cloud the picture of the game and the lack of adjustments made
while we may disagree on how Woody approached post incident comments, i in no way defend his strategy before the episode or after, examples:
- Woody did not adjust to zone mobilized by Mavs. We continued to shoot, any college coach could tell Woody the team that is deploying Zone, is wanting to force you to shoot jumpers. We did not adjust
- Lack of calling timeouts. Again similar to the GS game, we let the other team almost catch up to us or catch us, and let a big league in the 4th evaporate, before calling timeout. Why is that?
- Lack of consistent perimeter defense. Yep we are in love with Smoove for a great game he played, but look at the guy he was defending. Dirk had 37 points. Now we know what Smoove is, a great weak side defender. Not a great perimeter defender. But it is coach’s job to have somebody shadow a great 7 foot shooter constantly to stop them from making those shots. Can anyone spell Thunder and Durant? It is the same darn thing. The switching defense with these great NBA shooters doesn’t work, when you leave them split second. How many open jumpers did Dirk make? How much time does the greatest big man shooter of all time need?
- While i despise Kidd now, look at his line and his shot making and assists. Our great coach did not adjust by putting Marvin on Kidd to slow him down.
Yes i see all those same mistakes every game, and i wonder, when will these 4th qtr chokes stop. My answer is not until we get a better coach. But that is not the entire problem. Not even a better coach will hide the fact that Lion doesn’t have the inside moves yet to cause pain to other teams, and While Smoove is great in open court and rebounding after our missed shots(our entire inside game strategy), he doesn’t have a consistent inside move to be that scoring threat. That is old Sund’s job but he think we are all good (how crazy is that?) Now a lot could be solved by letting Rookie play more and penetrate, but again we know what Woody thinks about the rookie.
ok signing off – just wanted to be clear i am no fan of our great black kojak wizard gaming strategy
that made me mad
that foul should have been on Kidd but the refs were stupid enough to give it to him. If that foul was not called, we would have won
Wish I were a fly on the wall
in the locker room post game. Or maybe during practice
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