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Atlanta Hawks Breakdown: Hawks Are Stuck In Isolation


Despite the return of Joe Johnson, the Atlanta Hawks dropped a listless 89-82 appearance in New Jersey against the Nets on Sunday. The loss illustrated a number of Hawks’ sore spots, especially their isolation-oriented offense and their immature defense.

Disregarding transition, extreme early offense, and broken plays, the Hawks had 75 possessions with 40 of those possessions ending with the Hawks making a play (a shot, a pass, a foul drawn) out of an isolation. If post ups are counted as isolations, then the Hawks ran 61 plays where one-on-one basketball was triumphed over team play.

The leader of this brigade was Iso Joe Johnson. Against the subpar defense of the Nets, Johnson’s isolations accounted for 14 Hawks plays, with Atlanta shooting 1-10 from the field and registering only nine points in those 14 possessions, a terrible number. Johnson’s post ups were slightly better, accounting for 3-7 shooting, and nine points in eight possessions. A pair of handoff/fades resulted in two empty possessions, while a cut off a Mike Bibby back screen worked for a basket in one possession.

Tally it together and the Hawks only registered 20 points in 25 Johnson possessions, an unacceptable number. For sure, Johnson had returned earlier than expected from a relatively serious elbow injury, but his game relies totally on his massaging the ball, quelling off-ball movement, and using his tight handle and good-size to elevate for a shot or drive to the hoop, or he’s using his good vision to find spot up shooters. It should be noted that while Johnson sees the floor relatively well—6 AST, 2 TO—multiple passes were slightly off from their targets preventing Atlanta’s shooters from shooting in rhythm.

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Atlanta’s preponderance of isolations doesn’t stop with Iso Joe.

Mike Bibby isolated 11 times, leading to 14 points on 6-9 Atlanta shooting. Marvin Williams isolated unsuccessfully four times, leading to nary a single point. Josh Smith isolated six times, for only five points, while Al Horford’s isolations led to no points in two possessions. Jeff Teague didn’t generate any points for his pair of isolations, while Mo Evans hit a jumper the lone time he went one-on-one.

Overall, the Hawks scored only 30 points in 40 isolation possessions, a hideous number. When Johnson gets his mojo working, this number will improve, but there’s a fundamental flaw to strict iso-ball.

For one, because possessions die in players hands so often, it eliminates weak-side offense. Players stop organically running any action on the weak-side. Why should they if so many possessions will end with one drive and one pass to whichever player is vacated by a help defender. Offenses tend to stagnate and become simplistic.

Secondly, against defenses with the talent to match up defensively with the Hawks, and the coaching to know how to funnel Atlanta to help positions, it’s very easy for the Hawks to lay down and die. Since the Hawks don’t play with any continuity, they’re often stuck hoping that somebody heats up, or a defense presents a mismatch. Against the better defenses in the league—last year’s Magic, the 2008-09 Cavs—the Hawks offenses disintegrates in the postseason as they don’t put enough pressure on defenses.

Plus, the rest of Atlanta’s offense can be flaky. Mike Bibby torched New Jersey’s poor point guard defenders for 19 points on 8-15 shooting, but he’s never been a terrific passer, an aspect that was picked apart by the Nets—5 AST, 5 TO. Worse, two of those passes came on post-ups when the post players hadn’t established anything close to position. Bibby has to show better discretion on when to make entry passes.

Marvin Williams is a decent shooter who can sneak along the baseline when defenses load up against Atlanta’s isolations, but he’s not an accomplished one-on-one scorer. In fact, in posting Devin Harris, Williams had the ball poked away, failing to take advantage.

Josh Smith is taking threes again—and making them, knocking down two of his three attempts against the Nets. He doesn’t have the handle or the wide body to be a consistent halfcourt option, and his jumper is still a mite slow on its release to trouble big time defenses.

Jeff Teague can scoot and shoot, but he missed a layup, and has no idea of how to run an offense.

Josh Powell hit a nice left hook in the left box, but included in his other two post ups was a right hook which clanged off the backboard.

Jason Collins set a moving screen and missed an open short jumper, while Zaza Pachulia set a moving screen and threw an awful pass in three minutes of action.

Mo Evans mostly stayed out of the way—1-3FG, 1 AST, 1 TO, 2 PTS.

Only Al Horford has a consistently reliable offensive game, fueled by a smooth stroke on his jumpers, and an accurate right hook—6-12 FG, 3-3 FT, 10 REB, 4 AST, 2 TO, 15 PTS. It should be noticed that Horford virtually never goes back to his left hand on offense, something alert defenses know and gameplan for if they have sufficient time.

Atlanta’s defense was better than its offense, but it’s prone to dribble penetration. This is because Mike Bibby can’t defend his shadow.

Assigning players as most important defenders on given possessions, the Nets shot 11-14 for 25 points in 18 possessions where Bibby was the most important defender. This was mostly because of his awful individual defense where he has to give up too much room to compensate for a lack of foot speed, allowing Nets players an eternity of space for mid-range jumpers. Bibby also failed to show hard on a screen, and was poor in keeping track of players behind the three point line, leading to ineffective closeouts.

Marvin Williams had an inconsistent defensive game. Some of his rotations were soft or inadequate, but the Nets missed the open shot. For the best indicator of Williams’ defensive efforts, one only needs to know that he had Troy Murphy blow by him for a dunk. However, his good hands forced a deflection and one steal, his proper positioning in splitting two defenders on the weak side allowed him to intercept a second steal, and several good perimeter rotations led to unsuccessful Nets possessions. For the game, the Nets scored only eight points in nine possessions against Williams. Joe Johnson was barely asked to make critical defensive plays, and as such, was only involved on five defensive possessions, surrendering six points.

Josh Smith picked up too many ticky tack fouls by unnecessarily reaching in, late rotations, and stupidly trying to pick up a steal in the backcourt. As a result, he never got in a rhythm during the first half, and had to sit out a crucial stretch of the fourth quarter. His perimeter defense was lazy with several poor shows on screen/rolls, plus the complete refusal to throw a hand up on a Stephen Graham jumper that was bailed out when Graham missed the open look.

Smith did earn his bones with several terrific contests of Devin Harris either in transition, when switched after screens, or coming over from the weak side. As the game wore on and Smith got more involved, his defense picked up, and he finished the game with the Nets scoring only 10 points in 12 possessions, showing how good, and how versatile a defender Smith can be.

It’s his immaturity that holds him back. His adolescent fouls. His removing himself from the game if he hasn’t established a rhythm. The possessions off when he isn’t challenging anybody. All these add up, especially against better teams than New Jersey.

Al Horford’s defense was solid, allowing only 13 points in 16 possessions. Included in that total are seven attempts where Horford was posted by Brook Lopez. Horford only allowed two baskets and four points in those seven attempts. While Horford is undersized, he has a long reach which helps against Lopez’ largely robotic moves.

Off the bench, Mo Evans’ perimeter closeouts and shows and recovers were exceptional—the Nets scored zero points on seven possessions targeting Evans. He’s strong enough to body players out of their comfort zone, and he really makes it a point of emphasis to close out hard and throw his hands up at shooters.

Jason Collins was the only other player whose defense was challenged, allowing 12 points on 10 possessions. He wasn’t long enough to bother Lopez in the post, and he’s not quick enough to make an impact as a help defender. He only played as many minutes as he did because Pachulia was so ineffective.

Atlanta’s off-ball defense was passable, and they contested the Nets well in transition with Horford challenging layups, and Smith swatting away a Harris fast break attempt—but there are too many holes, particularly at the point guard spot—for the Hawks to be a consistent defensive team.

As such, the Hawks have the raw talent when Johnson is playing well to be a regular season power. Unfortunately for Atlanta though, it’s still the same cast of characters remaining from a pair of non-competitive postseason series losses. And for all the talk of Larry Drew implementing more motion into Atlanta’s offense, its still solely an isolation-based attack.

And in the postseason, a modified adage about isolation always rings true—survive together, die alone.

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It must really be hurting to lose to Hawks again

For a Magic fan to put this ridiculous garbage out as a post on a Hawks site. LD is implementing a motion offense for your information.

Regardless, the pain will get easier as you keep losing, what is that now, six out of seven? More losses to come. As I said, the more you lose, the more you get used to it. Just keep buying more point guards and shoot from outside, and good luck having Arenas on your team.

by ATLpaul on Dec 21, 2010 6:03 AM EST reply actions  

+1

The Magic will continue to struggle now that they have downgraded their team and the Hawks will take FULL advantage of it. It funny how the Hawks have a bad game and someone wants to dissect it, showing all the negative…….for ONE game. How about dissecting last night’s game or the other two games the Hawks played against the Magic this year. Just because your teams suck now, don’t try to rain on our parade, go find another hobby and support your newly established crappy team!

by Anonymous HawksGuy on Dec 21, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Insecurities

Are Hawks fans that insecure about their team that they constantly have to convince themselves of the team’s worth by pointing out their regular season success against the Magic? The Hawks have talent and talent will usually win out over the regular season. They don’t have sophisticated enough offense, and don’t execute as well at both ends of the floor to reliably predict postseason success.

Each of the past two seasons, the Hawks have struggled to execute in the playoffs against mediocre teams, struggling through seven-game sloshfests, before getting blown out by the big boys.

You can either put on your Hawks covered glasses and keep believing that regular-season success can continue despite the mistakes the Hawks make, or you can see that the team isn’t good enough as presently constructed unless the team becomes a lot tighter and stops making the unnecessary mistakes it makes.

by Erick Blasco on Dec 21, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Fortunately I have video evidence

I have a vid with each of Bibby’s and Marvin’s iso on it. I’ll link to it once it finishes converting.

Again, the Hawks ran half of their plays out of iso. Their motion doesn’t open up into much. Eventually, it’s just players going one-on-one.

Do I know how many excuses can be come up with for why the Hawks were non-competitive? Their are videos out there from Sebastian Pruiti at NBAPlaybook and Coach Nick at BBallBreakdown underscoring many of Atlanta’s fundamental mistakes in that series.

I used the first line because that’s exactly what has happened in the past two playoff series. I used the second because Atlanta runs a number of iso’s for players who aren’t consistently reliable offensive performers. Players like Smith just drop off the map too often, and Crawford’s jumper comes and goes.

My point that Smith was taking threes was merely a statement of fact dude. I DID include after the sentence that he WAS making them.

Yeah, and the Hawks would’ve been swept by the Celtics the way the Celtics played last postseason. Didn’t the Celtics not win the season series against the Magic? Things are different in the playoffs. The same avenues of success become choked with advanced scouting and preparation time.

There’s nothing wrong with iso’s as a part of an offense, but the Lakers run a heavy dose of the Triangle, the Celtics run tons of single-double screens, screen/rolls, and misdirection. Rose runs a ton of screen/rolls, and the Bulls aren’t a terribly efficient offense right now anyway, at least not yet.

My conclusion will probably turn out to be accurate, I made a post and you’ve done nothing but point your finger at me, bashing me as some run-of-the-mill Magic fan. And you complain to me about tone? And you tell me to get over myself.

You aren’t participating in any kind of discucssion, and you’re simply attacking me on the basis of not liking what you’re hearing. I’d like to think Peachtree Hoops has a more sophisticated fanbase than that. Check your tone if you want to participate in any kind of discussion. I’m not getting myself involved in some kind of flame-war.

If the video is processed before 8:10, I’ll link to you immediately. If not, I have to record the Grizzlies game tonight and I’ll link to it right afterwards. Enjoy your evening.

by Erick Blasco on Dec 21, 2010 8:04 PM EST reply actions  

Video

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/sports/watch/v20677551MyhT8Ga5

One of Bibby’s plays is arguably a screen/roll, but he doesn’t use the screen so I dub it as isolation.

by Erick Blasco on Dec 21, 2010 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

The issue, it seems to me, is not your assessment of the Hawks v Nets game.

I have no doubt that you watched, and charted that game, and you have a solid position in your analysis of that game.

The issue, as I see it, is with your summation of the Hawks, this season, with only this game as your reference. You did, in fact, come into “our yard”, and pick a fight, whether that was your intention, or not.

I am as pessimistic, as any fan on this site, for this season. I bashed the off season management of this team as hard as anyone, but it’s my team, I am a Hawks fan. Paul is active on this site, and has every right to defend his team as he sees fit. For you to admit, "the acid directed towards paul ", tells me that you are not the unbiased pillar of journalistic integrity that you claim.

We, on this site, are as well aware of our team’s weaknesses, as any fan base, and we debate them vigorously. I do not mind anyone analyzing a game, and posting the results here. I applaud you for the time and effort spent in doing so. What I do not appreciate is bashing our team, and the dissection of the entire season, based on the analysis of one game.

Honestly, attacking Marvin Williams as a weakness in the defensive structure of this team, just shows how little you seem to understand the makeup of this team. While the team does still tend to revert on offense, when the chips are down, the defensive philosophy has changed, from what it has been. While we all agree that Bibby is a liability on defense, looking beyond this one game, you will see a dedicated attempt this season to integrated Jeff Teague into this team more. He has much quicker feet than Bibby, and adds another shot blocker, when in the game.

Again, I appreciate the time dedicated to analyzing the game, but would appreciate it more, in the future, with much less “snark” added.

by RamblininAlb on Dec 22, 2010 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

Tone

I respond to people in the same manner they respond to me. Here was the first sentence I encountered from Paul…


“[It must really be hurting to lose to Hawks again] For a Magic fan to put this ridiculous garbage out as a post on a Hawks site.”

This sentence right away attacks my character, and attacks my work on a far more personal level than, “The issue, as I see it, is with your summation of the Hawks, this season, with only this game as your reference.” According to Paul, whatever insight I bring and whatever work I’ve done automatically bears no meaning to him, and as a member of this blog, to Peachtree Hoops. Plus his tone was as caustic and dismissive towards me as mine towards him.

If my credibility is being attacked, I’ll defend myself. Charting plays takes time. Since I hadn’t seem the broadcast live, it took me four hours. I want to make sure I’m getting things right if I’m going to make somewhat bold claims.

However, If strictly my work is being critiqued then I can discuss the work, the limitations of using one game as a methodology, and the reasons why I believe the Hawks still have work to do without attacking the poster.

For example, I can let you know that Williams had an inconsistent defensive game, but you will note that I did not label it as bad as he did not have a strictly bad defensive game. I pointed out many good things he did, specifically

However, his good hands forced a deflection and one steal, his proper positioning in splitting two defenders on the weak side allowed him to intercept a second steal, and several good perimeter rotations led to unsuccessful Nets possessions. For the game, the Nets scored only eight points in nine possessions against Williams.

That’s not too bad, and is relatively commendable. However, in the playoffs, every single missed rotation gets magnified and Williams has to bring those defensive rotations to a near-flawless level. When talent becomes neutralized in the postseason because everybody is talented, things like defensive rotations make an enormous difference. Also keep in mind, the Nets aren’t a great offensive team.

I still see the same too often from other players. Regardless of talent upgrades, it’s this fundamental aspect of relatively lazy help defense and poor defensive IQ (How does Josh Smith foul Devin Harris reaching in in the backcourt when he’s already in foul trouble. That’s unacceptable) that hurts this team as much as any tactical problem.

All I ask is you keep that in mind going forward as you watch and discuss the Hawks going forward. Maybe they’ll change! Teams always adapt and I’ve been wrong plenty of times before. The Hawks are still a young team, maybe they’ll continue figuring things out as they go. But until they do, they’re a notch below the NBA’s elite. That’s what I want to get across—-not that I’m some bitter, jealous Magic fan that needs to piss in Atlanta’s wounds. That’s certainly not what I’m here to do.

As I’ve said to Paul, my snarky comments are directed solely towards him and I genuinely wish the members of Peachtree Hoops no ill will.

Best of luck to the team going forward from here on out.

by Erick Blasco on Dec 23, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, sorry I missed this.

Good conversation….very much appreciated the post. Would have slid this into the front page if I’d seen it sooner.

by Jason Walker on Dec 27, 2010 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

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