Josh Smith, All-Star Snub or 2 more reasons to hate the Celtics
Josh Smith deserves the All-Star game. In fact, he deserves it more than even Al Horford and Joe Johnson, the Hawks that made it. I could make a perfectly well reasoned argument for Josh Smith making it and Joe Johnson staying home. Such an argument would include some advanced measures like Win Shares (basically measured by offensive and defensive efficiency while on the court), On/Off numbers, Adjusted +/-, TS%, and PER. Josh Smith has an edge, in some cases a sizeable edge, over JJ in all of these.
But I'm not going to make that case. Despite the fact that I'd love to see much less Iso-Joe and lot more offense run through the front court, in terms of the team context, Joe Johnson is nearly as important as Josh Smith (some of you might think that should be the other way around, but I'm convinced I've got it right). For a team that literally has no offensive concept and a coaching staff that doesn't "give a s**t about offense," Joe Johnson's shot creation is more valuable than the numbers can easily grasp. This doesn't mean I love the Fourth Quarter Joe Show, but I do understand that this team as constructed does require some isolation to create offense.
Additionally, I have targets of opportunity that are much more fun, and easier to make a case against. Now, let me quickly talk about fan voting. The All-Star game is an exhibition, just a bit of fun mid-season entertainment that is essentially a fan-fest; the idea being that fans want to see the league's best players on the floor competing together/against each other. Unfortunately, the most popular players in the league aren't necessarily the best. Allen Iverson's inclusion on the roster makes me want to vomit noisily the corner. Unfortunately, the guard with the third most votes was Vince Carter, who's not exactly an inspired choice either (putting Raymond Felton on the All-Star team would have be a coup). But one guy who was voted on, Kevin Garnett, directly interfered with Josh Smith's chances to be on the roster. Shame on all the fans who voted for him while he was hurt.
Little more needs to be said about Garnett. Besides the fact that he's missed 11 games, this has been his least impressive season since he was a 19 year old rookie. You don't even need to look beyond basic numbers to see that Josh Smith deserves to be on the team ahead of him. But we can hate the Celtics for his inclusion.
Kevin Pelton (hat tip: Hoopinion) at basketball-prospectus names Josh Smith as his primary snub. In fact, he'll go even farther than I will, calling Josh Smith one of the top 10 players in the NBA. You should also check out his link to his All-Star team, where he chooses and defends his selection of Al Horford.
The case I'm actually going to make here is the case against Paul Pierce. Here's a quick snapshot
| Points | Rebounds | Assists | Steals | Blocks | Turnovers | |
| Josh Smith | 15.2 | 9.1 | 4.2 | 1.6 | 2.3 | 2.3 |
| Paul Pierce | 19.0 | 4.9 | 3.6 | 1.2 | 0.4 | 2.4 |
Numbers courtesy of basketball-reference.com.
So you can see, Paul Pierce scores more often, but contributes less in every other basketball aspect. Remember back when Josh Smith was just a kid with raw tools and limited basketball skills? He's a more complete basketball player than Paul Pierce.
But hey, there's a lot more to look at. I've always been a fan of on/off court efficiency numbers. The Hawks are a ridonculous (I'm finding ridonculous to be less than satisfactory-I'll accept suggestions for new words in the comments) 17.8 points per 100 possessions better with Josh Smith on the floor than off. The Celtics are a "meh" +2.2 with Pierce. Keep in mind, these numbers are entirely contextual from team to team, but that difference is staggering. In terms of Adjusted +/- numbers, which account for level of competition, have Josh Smith ranked 16th, while Paul Pierce is...well, he's not in the top 40.
Oh, and if you're a fan of PER (I'm not, really, but it has it has its uses): Paul Pierce has a decent 19.0. Josh Smith has a star-level 22.0 PER. While Paul Pierce does one thing very well-score, and score efficiently-it's tough to build an argument based solely on that for his All-Star inclusion. It would be like making a case for 2006-07 Josh Childress earning an All-Star berth (disclaimer: this may not be exactly the same).
Beyond that, Josh Smith is exactly the type of player that All-Star games are made for. The man is at his best when he's making highlight dunks and swatting away shots. The skills that make him a great basketball player just happen to line up exactly with what gets fans most excited. If he's not in your Top 5 List for most exciting NBA players, you should throw that list out. I doubt there's anyone in the league who does a better job at running down fast breaks and picking up blocks from behind. There's almost no one who can sky higher for the alley-oop, and throw it down with the same authority. In fact, let me revise my first sentence. The All-Star game deserves Josh Smith.
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Im upset Josh
didnt make it but im not so mad. Allen Iverson makin it is just stupid as hell and Paul Pierce just made it cuz he plays for the Celtics maybe this will make Josh play with more intensity
Good argument on all points
This is a balanced discussion. I am of the camp that believe JJ is our best player. Numbers and stats don’t always tell the story about JJ, like when most of our team is not making shots or afraid of taking shots, and they look for JJ to take it and he then gets defended like crazy and misses some shots. Like you I am not for having the offense bypass our frontcourt, that is where our present and future lies, and JJ is beginning to get that. Nevertheless, I pay to go see Smoove. I wait for Smoove on TV to wake me up after a tiring day at work. And he, of all Hawks, define us, and brings joy and pleasure to watching our team, and connects us to our legacy of days gone by.
As for others, Garnett is a Hall of famer, but he n no shape or form does he deserve to be on the team this year based on his limited time or play. The man in Canada should be starting. Perhaps he decides to skip and heal, and Smoove gets his position. Iverson, should not even be on the court. He is taking the place of Mo Williams, in my opinion a legit all star. If I am Cleveland, I am pissed today.
As for Pierce, a much more difficult argument. Pierce is the one Celtic that has changed his game immensely since the big 3 addition. Now that KG is struggling/injured, And Ray Allen is missing his shot more, Pierce is being asked to do more again. His numbers don’t truly reflect the value he brings to Celtics, therefore I do believe he is a deserving all star based on Celtics record. If the point is to compare Smoove and Pierce at this point, I take Smoove because of the excitement he brings, because of his defense (the sh*t works), but the legacy of Pierce is too much to overcome yet.
Back to polishing my broom :)
I honestly have no problem
with AI and KG being voted in, the fans controlled that and they are allowed to get it wrong. However, I do take issue with the coaches getting it wrong. They’re supposed to know better. More than anything, the All star game could use some new blood. So what if Pierce or hell even Joe don’t make it for one season. They’ve been there several times before, they’re both boring as hell to watch. That’s not what the All Star game is supposed to be about. It’s supposed to be a showcase. Watching elbow jumpers does not excite me.
by Co Co on Jan 29, 2010 9:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he can shoot from anywhere else...
he literally is a one dimensional offensive player.
you somehow managed to
give Josh Smith his rightful place on the team without bashing Joe or Al.
AND you delivered sound, reasonable, and effective hate on Paul Pierce? This was almost worth josh not making the team.
well done.
I didn't even reference
Flopping or “being carried off the floor and coming back in to play 5 minutes later.”
But that's icing on the cake...
…and you can never have too much icing.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
josh most definently deserved it and the coaches you would have thought would know that
But he just needs to keep his focus on what the hawks are going for. Great post bronn! you justified every point with a decent point of view. jj is just as important s josh is to the team and I liked that you didn’t bash anyone except for the ones who needed it the Celtics.
by Hawksgirl on Jan 29, 2010 10:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Is it kind of a good thing he didn't make it?...
your comments near the end, regarding how All Star games are played, makes me wonder if we kind of luck out on him missing the All-Star game. For one, it pisses him off and can provide motivation for the second half. And b, just perhaps playing that run and dunk and act like you don’t care what happens so long as you have a few highlights on Sportscenter style game would open him back up to the bad Josh habits and away from the new, good Smoove habits.
I’m beginning to think we are much better off with Josh Smith being snubbed than an All Star.
The Bad Josh habits
mostly involve jumpshooting, not playing near the basket, and being lazy in rebound effort. If Josh wants to make a few highlights, those parts of his game actually make him a very good player.
The only aspect of his game where Good Josh becomes a slippery slope into Bad Josh are blocked shots-Ie, sagging off on defense in order to try to get a block. At this point in his career, it seems he’s found a great balance between the two, as he’s third in the lead in blocks while maintaining solid man defense.
If he wants to go for a few more highlight dunks then by all means, he needs to go for it-I’m thrilled when he goes strong to the hole instead of pulling up from 18 feet. That’s been less of a problem this year, but if he cut his jumpshots down to below 2 per game while increasing his shot attempts at the rim, he could be even better.
You have it Correct
Joe is nearly as important as Josh
Josh Smith vs Paul Pierce?
You have to be smoking some good stuff to compare Josh Smith to Paul Pierce. Smith is not worthy of holding the Truth’s jock. So Funny. All the Atlanta players are …Johnson, Smith, Crawford and even Horford gets manhandled in te paint. This Hawks team is way too soft to ever advance in the playoffs.
Appreciate your opinion
I’m sure you can see I went to some lengths to make my case for Josh ahead of Pierce. Disagreeing is fine, but it’s nice to support your opinion with more than “Smith is not worthy of holding his jock.”
I even admitted I could have taken the time to make the case for Smith ahead of Joe Johnson, but I see Pierce as the weak man on the roster this year. It doesn’t help that he’s missed some time, either.
Correction
The weak Coach’s selection. Obviously AI is the weak man on the roster, and the fans certainly did an injustice by voting in KG this year, as well.
Advance where
They made it to the 2nd round last year, and if it’s the Celts they see in the 2nd round this year, they will make it to the Eastern Conference Finals. So, you must be speaking of making it to the finals
by Truthspitter on Jan 29, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Let me guess?????
you’re a celtics fan, I think Paul Pierce is one of the least exciting players in the NBA, all he does is flop and shot jumpers. he has no ball handling and is not even close to athletic. seriously don’t the celtics have their own blog, just go away
I am a celtic fan
Yes. I think Pierce is a great player and if he is lacking in skills and athleticism…then that makes Him even a greater player for overcoming those things to accomplish everything He has including an NBA championship and NBA finals MVP. I think Josh Smith is a very good player on His way to stardom and the Hawks are on the verge of becoming an elite team in the NBA. The Hawks will have to do it in the playoffs to prove they are one of the best and that very well could happen this season. I know the Celtics are an aging team, but after all the losing season we endured before KG…I just want to win another banner before we give way to teams like Atlanta and Cleveland. I think once the playoffs start the Celtics will be very tough to beat as long as we are healthy. Good luck to the Hawks in the playoffs (as long as they are not playing the Celtics).


















