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San Antonio Spurs 105, Atlanta Hawks 90 or moral victories?

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Can there be moral victories when you lose by fifteen points? Hell yes there can. And I know every NBA team is going to let you have a run and Tony Parker was out for a lot of the second half and if the Hawks were on the other end, I would mock any optimism from the other team. And that is all fine, but moral victories are for up and comers and down and outers. So I realize the Hawks can't dish out moral victories too often before they are another 40 win team, but I have not given one all season, but I will tonight.

Atlanta played awful in the first half, got zero production from their point guard and center, and the Spurs were on fire. It led to a 28 point deficit, and yet the team was down nine with two fast break chances to make it a ball game. It didn't happen, but ten times out of ten the Hawks give up the past few years. They didn't tonight. They deserved to get beat badly, but even down a quarter century, Atlanta thought they could win. That is the confidence of a division leader.

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The bulleted sucky

It is the little things.

  • You switch every screen and Joe Johnson inexplicably doesn't and it leads to Duncan Screen.
  • Zaza guarding no one gives Tony Parker a 3 and half second head start in 3.75 second race.
  • Josh Smith fights to front Tim Duncan and Duncan wins on good fundamentals and pass, but Mike Bibby is there to take the charge because Duncan does not know he is there. Bibby just steps aside.
  • And then there is good coaching going right at Bibby on the first procession, and the effort is bad when the Hawks get run out of gym by the Spurs. That is actually a rule.
  • Also apparently combining moving without the ball and good spacing is surprisingly effective.
  • Joe Johnson played the worst half of defense I have ever seen him play. Ever.

Josh Smith's middle finger

I recently came to understand that Josh Smith needs to improve dramatically to be a take over guy in th fourth quarter offense. Yet the man cam take over a game. Hell, the guy can take over a butt kicking. Josh tried all night. And I use the word "try" as if Josh slacks all the time, but he is so talented that trying sells it short. When Josh plays this way, he looks like he is in the NBA finals and everyone else in the game is playing checkers.

Tim Duncan, legend

I assume most blogs don't give a paragraph to Duncan in a fifteen point win, but they should. I found him annoying, and there was no way he deserved eleven free throws, and maybe naturally that 21 and 27 was terribly normal. I mean that. If the sounds was off, I would have thought Duncan went for 15 and 10.

The man is a machine. He is crafty, hard working, and did I mention a machine? He is a machine. 27 rebounds is good by yourself against 30 shots. We just watched one of the best ever and didn't even care. Impressive.

And now Friday matters

This game made sense. I thought the Spurs were going to want to win. They are about to go on a huge road trip. No way they are starting their home stand 0-4.

Does that sound familiar? It should. The Celtics are full strength again and about to start a huge run of games. They don't want a sweep by Atlanta. Friday thought, I am not interested in a solid comeback. Lets screw the Celtics. I can guarantee you it will be fun.

Go Hawks!

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I was disappointed in our effort

I can’t really take any moral victories out of this. I am angry with our guards for their “defensive efforts” and I’m not speaking to them again until Friday.

by Co Co on Jan 27, 2010 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

ha

the first half was horrible. no excuse for that. I just really liked the way most of the team played in the second half. they played to win. down 20 that is impressive.

If the Hawks lose 30 games this year, I am going to wreck them for at 28 of them. one moral victory isn’t that bad, is it?

by hawksdawgs on Jan 28, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I've had time to calm down and reflect

and um yeah, I’m still disappointed with them, but I’ll be over it sometime tomorrow nite. I’ll either be elated that they swept the Celtics or I’ll have brand new reasons to be disappointed in them. :)

by Co Co on Jan 28, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I applaud the effort

They fought hard against huge odds and ran out of gas. They adjusted nicely and became the aggressor. This was a tough spot for them. I am hoping this effort springboards the Hawks into a trashing of the Celts on Friday night.

And I am still fuming over the “The Hawks are no better than four years ago” post in the game thread.

by Duff_Man on Jan 27, 2010 11:56 PM EST reply actions  

I assume you're talking about the second half

because the only person who gave any effort for both halves was Josh. I suppose I’m referring more to the first half. Yes, actually that’s where my disappointment in their effort lies, but I can’t overlook it right now. The guards were awful on defense. They didn’t even bother to try in the first half, which led to them needing to give all out effort just to not lose by 30. Eff that, I’m back to being disappointed by their effort for the whole game. There’s no excuse for them coming out and letting the Spurs run layup drills on them in the first quarter. Neither guard bothered to even step in front of the guard they were supposedly defending as he made his way to the rim. ugh. I’m disappointed.

by Co Co on Jan 28, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

well

I would say that Tim Duncans length(not boxing out) and the hawks poor shot selection (ill advised shots) led to him getting all those rebounds. I hope Jeff Teague got a lesson from Tony Parker about a true point guards play.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 27, 2010 11:57 PM EST reply actions  

we definitely

missed Jason Collins

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 28, 2010 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Not a moral victory

There is no moral victory when an opponent’s player has 27 rebounds.

Effort should not be applauded, it should be expected.

by axhfan on Jan 28, 2010 12:31 AM EST reply actions  

It is expected

But there’s a lot to like when a team claws and fights back like the Hawks did. Not sure why there’s so much sour grapes. Yeah we fell behind big…those things happen in sports. It was one game out of 82 which makes it easy to pack it in. Instead the Hawks decided to suck it up and come out swinging. I have taken that as a positive.

by Duff_Man on Jan 28, 2010 7:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

These ain't sour grapes

We lost. It sucks. I’m not saying this was a horrendous loss, just saying that it wasn’t something positive to see.

As the great Judge Judy would say, “Don’t spit on my cupcake and call it frosting”

by axhfan on Jan 28, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Two patterns

Hawks struggle going up against big centers. Whether Duncan, muscle man in Orlando, Bynum, Cleveland centers,…. Now these are all great teams (Spurs recent lack of production excepted). But clearly our lion in the middle is at an disadvantage. Add to that Zaza being slow, and Joe Smith looking old, and our problems get bigger with our two main backups.

Secondly, when Bibby is at least not being a threat, we struggle. we need to get some production from Bibby, or all the pressure builds on JJ and Crawford to score. At this point our rookie is really irrelevant. Let’s hope we can mentally recover in time for Celtics, though the game after that is a scenario we have seen before.

by ATLpaul on Jan 28, 2010 5:11 AM EST reply actions  

I don't understand the sour grapes either......

Sure I want to win every game, but that’s not going to happen. I think this game was more about how well the Spurs played as opposed to how badly the Hawks played. The Spurs came in with one mission: Attack! Attack! Attack! They were playing with their backs up against the wall. They knew they could exploit our PG position and they did just that. Normally I’m not one for moral victories either, but tonight I saw something different. I truly felt that the Hawks felt they could come back and steal this game and I haven’t felt that in the past. Hell, I felt that way as well. We got two back to back steal with a chance to cut the lead from 9 to 4 if we had converted on those steals. It’s a sign of maturity and growth. Without any production from Horford and Bibby, it was most certainly going to be un uphill battle. I don’t think we realize how much pressure it puts on Smoove and Al when our PG’s get beat off the dribble. It’s sets them up for foul trouble and fatigue. I don’t know what’s ailing Bibby, but something has got to give. He had a few clutch plays in Houston, but short of that, he’s had zero production and he’s a liability on defense to boot. At least JC tries to defend. I can’t say the same for Bibby. Did he have any points or assists last night?

by dstdeelite on Jan 28, 2010 8:26 AM EST reply actions  

o points

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 28, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree its a moral victory

They have grown and refused to get blown out. I don’t like the loss but I can handle it because they did try. JJ was on last night on offense but defense was invisible. He plays one of the best defense for a score in the league but refused to play and hates contact(that still puzzles me). Smoove played well and did try, JC came out and did what we he could but it showed that al was needed badly. even when bBIBBY is off we win with al’s scoring and defense and that wasn’t there. BIBBY..get it together asap

by Hawksgirl on Jan 28, 2010 9:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Tim Duncan is my favorite player – like you said, he’s just a legend. I think if anyone was to construct a model player, it would be him – fundamentals, coachable, great teammate, leadership – he has it all.

I agree with you about this being a moral victory. The Hawks of 2 years back would have folded after the first half and got blown out by 30 – these guys showed a lot of fight.

Excited about tomm night!

by BAV on Jan 28, 2010 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Moral to the Story

I find peace or an upside in the loss in that it further revealed our flaws. We need a quicker more defensively capable guard, and it’s not gonna be Mario West. We also need a bigger more productive big to add to the rotation of Al and Josh, and it’s not gonna be Zaza. I would love to make a move on Brendan Haywood

by Truthspitter on Jan 28, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

I don't take this as a moral victory

And I’m not trying to be a “sour grape” but the hawks lost in the same fashion with every other double digit loss. Anytime they settle for jump shots and miss and nobody’s there to rebound we get behind really early. Not only does that make more work for the starters, that gives the other team more confidence. If they made this a close contest the whole game and loss a close one, then I would consider moral victories.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 28, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

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