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Stop digging your fox hole.

It is a new, more reasonable day here at Peachtree Hoops. Last night's recap was far too whinny. The loss deserved some complaining. When you see the Hawks lose the same way and for the same reasons, it is frustrating, but it is good to remember that while the losses have fit a pattern, they have have not come in bunches. Any post full of absolutes is a bit much. A bit too bloggy. Atlanta lost to a very good team that played very well. Those happen.

Shoot, you know I was far too inward focused when I did not even mention the thunder dunk by Jeff Green. If Josh Smith had been on the other side of things, I would have written a love song about it. With a nights sleep under us, we can look back at this game and see after Kevin Durant's huge first quarter, he was held in "superstar" check. The Hawks actually win if they hit their free throws or don't let Krstic go 7-11 from the field or hit two of those ten open threes or any number of things. So lets be honest, Atlanta plays with the same players and are coached by the same guy every game so they are going to lose the same way more times than not. Might as well feel good that we can look back and see five semi-fluke things that could have turned the tide. Because clearly getting frustrated about the number of front court shots is going to turn us all into 80 year olds complaining about these "damn computer things." So lighten up grandpa (meaning me), we have the fifth best record in the league.

Goodbye my lovvvvvvvvvve!

Officially, put your Jeff Teague campaign to rest. The protest signs are unnecessary, the fan posts redundant. Michael Cunningham makes it clear, our boy is not playing.

"I don’t have to rush Teague," Woodson said. "I’ve got confidence in Teague. But [Mike] Bibby and Jamal [Crawford] have carried the load at the [point].

"I feel good about Teague and what he brings to the table. Eventually Teague will run this team, I think. But I don’t have to throw him to the wolves like I did those other guys."

While I am fine giving up on the dream for this season, I should note that playing Teague and throwing him to the wolves are not uncontrollably tied to one another. Or that Woodson played Mario West twice as many minutes. Or "thinking" Teague can run the team will not be good enough knowledge once he is actually asked to do so. I guess the moral of the story is this, when Woody had to play rookies he did and when he doesn't, he doesn't, or put another way, Woody has never managed a full roster.

Star-divide

Loser Dots

  • As good as Kevin Durant is, and holy hell he is he good, if I was a fan of the Thunder, I would get very frustrated at his love of the jumper. He seems almost unstoppable on the drive.
  • Ok, one more complaint. Joe Johnson must grab more than one rebound. Overall, our guards have to hit the boards better, but since our other guards are Mike Bibby and Jamal Crawford, I will just say again, Joe Johnson must grab more than one rebound.
  • I can't get over how Josh Smith-y that Jeff Green dunk was.
  • I think Zaza Pachulia had an offensive rebound on every single one of his missed shots.
  • No one makes it look easier than Kevin Durant. And yes, I am including everyone in that no one.
  • And the guy is really enjoyable to watch. So please no one teach Durant to flop.
  • Russell Westbrook got to the rim so easily and emphatically once and only once. I actually forgot to ask why he never did that again. Why did he never do that again?
  • Did BJ Mullins change his name to just Byron?
  • Part of me wishes Jamal Crawford had only dished out one assist so I could have the full New York Knicks Jamal Crawford experience.
  • You know who is not afraid to shoot? James Harden. I thought that was terrible three point shot was going to turn the game. Unfortunately, the Hawks countered by taking terrible three point shots. It was like a slap fight.
  • That crowd was ready to explode yesterday and were never allowed to. There were probably 100 unnecessary fights between families when people got home. I hope they all blamed Jamal Crawford for their pent up aggression.
  • Why does no one but our front court push the pace?
  • Just for the record, Eric Maynor, the guy drafted after Teague, totally sucked and still got 15 minutes in the win. Hell, Byron got two more minutes than number Zero.
  • And Boston and Orlando just keep on losing.....

Go Hawks!

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well not mad anymore so I'm thinking clearly now

I know the thunder played extremely well and so did their bench. I think smoove was OMG’d by that dunk. maybe he planned that to rattle smoove. but I’m gonna cry everytime I see teague now(sniff) it totally sucks. but on the bright side, Atleast Orlando and Boston lost again

by Hawksgirl on Jan 19, 2010 9:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

"But I don’t have to throw him to the wolves like I did those other guys."

I am going to break my “positive guy” character for a minute.

This is straight up crap, Mike Woodson.

We have been watching this team through the thick and thin of your coaching tenure here, and you’ve proven over and over that you just don’t have any idea what to do with Point Guards.

-We watched you throw Royal Ivey into the starting lineup every night for about 6 minutes. The kid played his heart out, defended well, made some nice jumpers, etc. But no matter how well he played you never rewarded his play with a few more minutes.

-Tyronn Lue was in a bad spot. We had nobody else to play. I don’t have empirical proof of this, but I am 99% sure that on this team, Lue would be getting 10-20 minutes a game for some reason. PS: he played bad defense.

-Salim Stoudamire. You played him 23 minutes one night, would give him three games off, then throw him back out on the court. There were games where I honestly thought you forgot he was on the roster when we could have used a little spark on offense.

-Mike Bibby. Finally we traded for a player that you HAD to play consistent minutes. This one has actually worked out.

-Mario West. You don’t want to throw poor Jeff Teague to the Wolves, so we call up Mario from the minors? Even then, you blindly throw him out there for who knows how many minutes a game. I can’t bash Mario because he plays real hard.

-Jeff Teague. Is it really asking too much to give the kid 10-15 minutes a game? Perhaps even put him out there with the starters? Shift JJ to small forward and Jamal to 2 guard and let the kid grab some experience. Do you think Mike Bibby would complain that he is getting rest at his age?

Mike, all you do is flounder around on minutes with these guys. Treating Teague like he’s is in trouble 2 out of three games is eventually going to kill his confidence to the point that we’ll have to trade him. He plays tough defense on the ball, he’s lightning quick. He shows flashes of a great passer. Quit calling it “throwing him to the wolves” and just come to grips with the fact that you do not know how to create roles for players. You’re just guessing with these kids.

He’s a rookie player on a good team. Let him learn on the court, please?

by Duff_Man on Jan 19, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Boris Diaw?

Was he also drafted as a point guard or shooting guard? Was that in Woddie’s era.
Excellent write-up Duff_Man. I always thought Salim had a future in the NBA. First year he had an attitude, then he adjusted. Was never utilized correctly. What happend to him? A pity to lose him.

Mario is a good situational player, he is no point guard.

by ATLpaul on Jan 19, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

If teague has to learn by watching

then he is learning some bad habits from his elders. We don’t want teague playing like bibby or crawford, we want him ti actually want to drive the ball and kick and dunk and steal the ball

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 19, 2010 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

In the words of Ed Lover, Come on, Son!!

Woody is using this as a total cop out. Just how does he expect the kid to learn without playing time? He’s a rookie on a good team. I get that. But so is Ty Lawson. Denver is ranked 2 or 3 in the Western Conference and he gets a lot of minutes. Truthfully, Bibby looks like the wheels could fall off at anytime now and it has to be frustrating and disconcerting to him to see Mario get more minutes than him. If you’re not going to play him, quit drafting PG’s! Let the team slide back into Lottery Land from whence it came. Idiot! Does Sund have an email address? I have a couple of things I need to get off my chest.

by dstdeelite on Jan 19, 2010 11:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I really wish Hoopdata separated shot data by quarter

I’d really like to be able to explain why this team can play some really incredible third quarters and then can’t do jack diddly in the fourth. I’m sure a lot of fans complain about how their teams change what’s happening during the 4th quarter, but we seriously, seriously do.

At any rate, Woodson’s problems go beyond Jeff Teague. Marvin Williams, for example.

by Bronn on Jan 19, 2010 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

it does go beyond teague

Woody runs jj in the ground in the fourth even when he is cold. JJ used to be able to carry the team but now with more offensive presence woody has no reason to ride him. not to mention marv gets benched when they need his defense and offensive presence. when jj is cold marv Crawford teague al and josh in the game to make somethingI happen. I like that lineup. it has potential and speed

by Hawksgirl on Jan 19, 2010 12:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

teague is extremely talented and shows flashes of it when he plays

If woody would actually give him a chance it would work. he is being ridiculous(woody) because the tteam needs another “true” pg.

by Hawksgirl on Jan 19, 2010 12:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Couple of point about yesterday

HawksDawgs – right on on regarding the point about the forwards leading the breaks. Why are our guards not doing that, i always get nervous seeing smoove and Lion leading. But Bibby and JJ just not fast enough, and Jamal if he leads the break is more thinking about scoring. Teague can help in those areas, he is great on the break.

As for Teague, I say this much, yesterday i was there early. I saw a tall thin Thunder shooting by himself. An hour before the game, by himself, a lonely figure over and over. i think it was Durant. Over and over he shot at an empty basket as the Phillips arena was filling all around him. A lonely assistant throwing the ball back to him. Here is a great shooter and he is doing that. Now this is Teague’s home court, and may be he had other places to warm up, and may be he is a rookie and he is nervous getting in front of a crowd, but i want to hear from someone that he is working on his shot. The one thing he can do to stop the nonsense that is Woody’s substitution rotation patterns, is improve his shot. Otherwise, every time he shoots the ball, it is a turnover. While smoove can get away with not shooting, inability to have a outside shott for a point guard in NBA is the death sentence. So yes give him a few minutes a game, but let’s balance that against the rookie’s skills.

by ATLpaul on Jan 19, 2010 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

unless

you’re Rajon rondo or tony parker. Their main game was driving to the hoop unfazed by their shot getting blocked they score 25+ on layups and the occasional jump shot

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 19, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah and Rondo sucks at free throws

by acie4mvp on Jan 19, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hawksdawgs, can we somehow analyze all of the Hawks losses and try to figure what the common denominator is?

Meaning: should we have lost that game? Did we lose because of a untimely shooting slump? Was it a blow out. Even though this is one loss, I am getting really nervous. Charlotte and Miami now have the same record. I can’t stomach meeting Charlotte in the playoffs.

by dstdeelite on Jan 19, 2010 2:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Woodson would have us believe

That most of our losses are due to untimely cold shooting. Unfortunately, he doesn’t realize that this isn’t such a great jumpshooting team.

NBA ranks, FG% (courtesy of Hoopdata.com)

At Rim: 5th
<10 Feet: 9th
10-15: 4th
16-23: 21st (despite Al Horford shooting a ridiculous 48% from this range)
Threes: 10th

We’re and elite team from 15 feet and in, and an average team (at best) outside of that.

by Bronn on Jan 19, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It kinda looks to me

That in the blowouts the hawks are getting outrebounded by ten or more(with the exception of the denver game with them hitting 13 threes) When we get outrebounded that generally meant we settled for jump shots and/or didn’t box out. Another exception was the Detroit game in which we only lost by 6 but got outrebounded by 26

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 19, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

in the knicks game in dec

the knicks didn’t outrebound the hawks, didn’t go to the foul line more, but shot 83% at the rim to the hawks 65%. They also shot 11 tre’s. The hawks, as we know them, should never get blown out; unless they settle for jumpshots, get out-rebounded, and let the opponent shoot wide open threes

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 19, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Are we conceding the Hawks can't defend the 3 point line in most cases?

That is unless you’re the Boston Celtics….in which case they do everything exceptionally well.

by dstdeelite on Jan 19, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

their team speed on rotations to the shooters

leave much to be desired. ESPECIALLY when the players on the court play the entire game.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 19, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

And this problem is compounded by the fact that we switch on EVERY pick. After a few rotations, the whole defense gets out of wack and shooters are wide open. This is one of the major issues and why I think we always get dominated by a team like Orlando that plays an inside-outside game. I know I’m not an NBA coach but the same exact defense does not work on every team…I am dumbfounded as to why we don’t adjust our defense to the style of play we are facing.

by VAHawksFan on Jan 20, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking at the stats

Joe Johnson is the only 20+ scorer averaging less than 4 free throw attempts a game. Josh Smith is the only hawk in the top 40 in free throw attempts

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 19, 2010 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

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