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How Sundiata Gaines' shot could change the Hawks

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This post is more an excuse to revel in all that was awesome about last nights Sundiata Gaines' buzzer beater to beat Cleveland, but it does raise an interesting question for Hawks fans. If you don't know Gaines story or need a recap about what happened last night go here and here. Actually, even if don't need those things, go there because it is great info.

Mr. Gaines got me thinking about the Mario West signing, more broadly Jeff Teague, and then totally macro about the identity of the team. I am much more moderate than most on the Mario signing. It is the 10th man. You are not going to see me defining this as the seminal moment of  ineptness for franchise or crowning the Hawks now certain champions of the east because of Mario West. Many things could have happened with the last roster spot. More qualified veterans are available. Better all around D-leaguers are out there. But they went with Mario, and Mario can bring something to the team even if is largely immeasurable. Basically, my expectations were low no matter what direction the team went. At least now, I know what to expect.

However, that Sundiata Gaines game winner is a fairy tale. And I know it is fairy tale because it never happens. Last night was an outlier. It may never happen again in such a beautiful, perfectly fit for the blogging world kind of way. But what troubles me, is the Hawks would never even give it the opportunity to occur.

It may be because the Hawks are more versatile and deep than the Jazz. The only reason Sundiata was playing was because Deron Williams got hurt mid game, but if Joe Johnson got hurt, do you think Mario West would have the chance to be the hero? If Mike Bibby went down, would anyone pencil in possible fourth quarter heroics for Jeff Teague? Shoot, Teague could have the the third quarter of his life to get the team back into a game, and I still would expect a Crawford, Johnson, Marvin lineup in the last two minutes.

I don't mean to compare apples to oranges or take an anomaly to prove a generalization, but the Hawks do not show belief in their bench. This is a six man team. Role players win games in the second quarter or don't lose games for short stretches in the third. But when the rubber meets the road, the starters are going to be put in to finish the job. Really, it is as it should be if not for the fact that it is always that. Because it may seem trivial but watching Sundiata drill that shot makes me think he is going to feel a part of that team for the rest of his time with the Jazz. There is a trust and confidence that a 1,000 practices cannot build.

The Hawks find their strength in the starters, but if they want to be a team, they should put in the game tape from last night. It would take a perfect situation, in a perfect game, but it should at least be a possibility. And if Atlanta is signing people that we will never put in that possibility maybe we should think a little bigger. We often say how the Hawks get into bad roles and ruts especially late in the game. Maybe it is because there is never any change in the personnel.There is never a chance for a fairy tale, and it is tough to dream big for 82 games with that kind of mindset.

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Thanks for making me slightly sad.

I talked about this very thing last night on Twitter with Hawkstr8talk.

by Co Co on Jan 15, 2010 2:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

and while i have no problem ripping off other people's ideas

and pretending they are my own. this time, i promise i did not eavesdrop.

and hey, only slightly sad. slightly sad can be cured by beer.

by hawksdawgs on Jan 15, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of which

It’s been a year since our last wine discussion. If you haven’t yet, you must try some Moscato d’Asti. It’s a sweet and bubbly wine that goes great with dessert.

"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC

by Jesse28 on Jan 15, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mario mario mario..............

i love him and teague but when you think back on the previous games, and years, the starters finish games out. I have been voicing this for a while about woodys distrust of his bench. he wont trust his bench except for crawford and" special situations" with collins. ugh, idk what else to say because the only way it will work right is if teague hits a buzzer beater which will not happen in the fourth quarter unless a player or two is hurt……

by Hawksgirl on Jan 15, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

In order for Teague to be playing in the 4th quarter, down the stretch in a close game

Bibby, JJ, JC, and Mo Evans would have to be blind, cripple, and crazy.

by dstdeelite on Jan 15, 2010 2:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mario and teagues energy is needed

But also needs to be controlled. If we can get a shot like the Sundiata shot out of them, that would be crazy good

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 15, 2010 2:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm more concerned with the fact that.....

…nobody in the Atlanta franchise saw enough of Gaines in the preseason to figure out that maybe he should have made the roster when he was actually a part of the franchise.

That said, as a UGA fan, and given Woodson’s track record of developing point guards, it is probably a good thing he is now elsewhere.

by JJDawg on Jan 15, 2010 3:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Whenever the top teams of the league lose

and the hawks win, that’s always good

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 15, 2010 3:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good Topic

I think Woody does use the bench more this year. This may have been a valid issue last year, but this year he is using the bench more than six deep. If the point of the bench is to say Woody is not using Teague and Mario and Zaza or Mo ahead of starters in crunch time, I agree. But he is using it correctly at this point.

Now for Teague, we need to be patient. The rookie has a world of potential, and like the last game can be so effective. But he needs to be controlled like most rookies. He makes mistakes, and his shot is in desperate need of improvement, so I say we need to play him more but be careful when. If Bibby is not working, or JC or JJ, bring him in. If we are playing a team like Suns, bring him in.

Mario, I really like. He should become our defensive stopper. While usual 11th and 12th players never get a lot of playing time, Mario has opportunity to become a real disruptive force for us. But if we need scoring, he is not the go to man. That is still JJ and JC.

by ATLpaul on Jan 15, 2010 3:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

foreshadowed topic

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 16, 2010 1:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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