Atlanta Hawks 102, Boston Celtics 96 or manic fandom is having a field day
by hawksdawgs on Jan 11, 2010 11:01 PM EST
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So I wouldn't be surprised if Boston produces a win and credits a late night text message. If it happens, I will just credit a championship resolve, and if the Hawks pull out the victory, I might have to stop doubting theirs quite so easily.
That text message by Doc Rivers that was undoubtedly going to get lots of credit from the media was surely something along the lines of "He who angers you, controls you."
Well, the Celtics got angered, and the Hawks showed the championship resolve. Without getting into what was flagrant and what was not, both teams had a lot to complain about. And the officiating was not even that bad. Just normal bad, made acute by overreacting and three technical fouls in a row.
The Hawks have seen the story before. Bad calls lead to Josh Smith pouting, Marvin disappearing, Horford wanting, and Joe ball hogging. And coming off a blowout loss, it is absurd to call Atlanta's discipline championship effort, but if you had to choose one team that looked to have the focus tonight, it was the Hawks. And there is no denying it.
Victory Bullets
- Joe Johnson deserves his own paragraph. Tomorrow it will come.
- Jamal Crawford played the defense of his life in the third quarter. And I am just giving him credit for the block Ray Allen's three pointer and not the ridiculous foul that was called. Speaking of credit, most of that effort probably goes to his technical free throws. So basically I give credit to Doc.
- Kendrick Perkins likes traveling. If he was called for his illegal screens, Perkins would have killed 14 offensive possession.
- If you asked me over/under Mike Bibby shots at 3.5, would have gone over. Also, would have lost my house.
- Hat tip to you Marvin Williams. Why? You just put in 40 minutes of work.
- Love watching Jeff Teague celebrate.
- Players did not block shots in this game. They took the ball away like a teenager steals his own money back from a toddler.
- Sometimes I think Jamal Crawford is a better player when he gets fouled. Whether it is called or not.
- Mario West 1-0. Sort of.
Go Hawks!
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Congrats Hawks
Great win Hawks. You guys are a great team with great players and good guys the Hawks deserve to win.
However I want to know what is up with the officiating.
Hawks last game at Cleveland 17 less free throws
Hawks last game at Boston 15 more free throws.
That is a +32 on FT when comparing the Cavs to the Celtics.
I do not feel this officiating is fairly when comparing the Cavs to the Celtics, not the Hawks. It seems that the Hawks played well enough in those two games to win both games.
In Cleveland they get their shot clock taken off illegaly and get a ridiculous amount of calls made against them, and in their previous game they get a phony bs clear path foul against them.
In Boston they get a FT advantage 33-18, and a questionable call on Glen Davis with the flagrant.
It just seems that in those two games the Hawks played about the same, probably even better against the Cavs, yet they win against the Celtics and lose to the Cavs. So let me know what you think about that.
first off excellent non troll post
1. us hawks fans complained about the Cavs officiating extensively.
2. hawk fans thought the first half officiating was pretty bad with the zaza flagrant and phantom Pierce play led to four extra points and the first initial big lead.
3. our coach did not overreact to those perceived bad calls.
4. I think the Celtics got called for more loose ball fouls. Not that they weren’t fouls but the whistle blew more against boston on the random shoves.
5. the cetlics flop. In the first half Rondo threw his body to the floor twice on fake fouls and Pierce flopped twice. If it is obvious you are not going to get the benefit of the doubt.
6. Hawks attacked more than they did in Clev.
Probably has something to do with the Celtic players complaining so much even in favorable calls
If I were a ref I’d go hard at the Celtics with the amount of jawing they do. And there are some nights where it’s obvious Sheed or Doc’s reputations are getting in their way.
yes
that doesn’t mean you make a wrong call against a team because of the jawing. Yes hand out a techincal, but dont’ me making up calls because you don’t like a player personally.
You know, I'm neginning to think you're right.
the refs gave that game to the Hawks so the Cavs could get farther ahead of the Cletics. The flagrant was proof.
How could I not have seen this before?
Heck
I just checked the DVR. I can even understand why Doc Rivers was upset with the call-with his right hand, Glen Davis was cleanly reaching up for the ball, but his left hand came around behind and wrapped around Marvin’s head, which is why it was flagrant. Doc probably couldn’t see that from where he was, but hitting a guy in the head on a fastbreak has got to be flagrant, regardless.
I mean, no kidding!
The NBA network showed it repeatedly, and every time Davis grabbed Marvin by the back of the neck.
it wasn't a high flying flagrant
with guys getting knocked on the floor. Davis put his hand there to make sure Marvin didn’t fall. There are plenty of plays in the game where a players hands goes lightly near another players neck and doesn’t get a flagrant.
Yeah.
The fact that he tried to help him up after knocking him down by the back of the head…that makes it nicer.
Marvin helped up Rondo after he flagrant 2ed him in the playoffs
And even tried to catch him as he was falling.. That didn’t change the fact that he was ejected for it.
yes
that was a tough call too, but it was a high flying play, this play wasn’t. I’m not saying Marvin should have been ejected on that play on Rondo in 2008.
I like Hawks
people I like the Hawks, they are good guys, if the Hawks beat the Celtics I am happy I don’t hold grudges. If any of the following teams beat the Celtics:Orlando,
Atlanta,Miami , Toronto, Charlotte, Chicago , Milwaukee ,New York,
Washington , Indiana, Philadelphia , Detroit , New Jersey and any west coast team even the Lakers if they play good basketball, I am happy.
Hey, what's the Cletics' "real" record now?
Can we assume this one was really a win for the C’s?
rbu
I like the Hawks and clearly had your and Mike Woodson’s back in the game he protested so I don’t know where you are going with that.
You know what I'm talking about
..your imaginary standings. The Cletics are, what, 30-3 or something now?
Davis
wasn’t trying to hurt Marvin. When you play the Cavs and that call goes against you, and it will, remember I was here to help you to by expressing my opinion that I do not believe in that call.
The foul is, and I'm paraphrasing,
did Player A foul Player B in such a way as to increase the chance of injury, regardless of intent?
according to the rulebook
Davis play was not a flagrant. there was no wind up.
Here's the REAL rule, dude know-it-all
“If contact committed against a player, with or without the ball, is interpreted to be unnecessary, a flagrant foul—penalty (1) will be assessed”
Note that it says nothing about any wind-up
or really much of anything.
yes
but you have to look at the defintion of why a flagrant is called. that just says when a flagrant is called.
Either way its a judgement call.
Here's the kicker though
Since the very serious injury to T.J. Ford a couple years back, any contact above the shoulders has been deemed as a flagrant foul. The ref’s have been instructed to call it as such and they will continue to do so, regardless of intent, ergardless of if the players are in the air, regardless of how much motion is put into the contact. If there is contact above the shoulders, that is going to get called just about every time it’s seen.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
Where do you think this dude came from?
he showed up in the midst of the Cleveland meltdowns looking ofr sympathetic ears. All while the Cavs fans were gloating their fannies off in the same threads.
It was not fun.
yes
and I was clearly trying to help you guys out by agreeing with Mike Woodson and standing up for Mike Woodson so I’m not sure you understand exactly what I’m commenting on.
Oh, I think we understand.
The coaches KNOW that the Cavs are getting the league’s help.
yes
that and they also know when the calls are wrong.
Mike Woodson went crazy on the clear path and I am taking your coaches back. That is why Doc went crazy again tonight. Doc didn’t overract because it was a kind of important call in a kind of important game, there is a much bigger picture going on.
And when it works against the Hawks and works against you guys I will be there to defend your guys and have your back. Even if it is against the Celtics, I will be the first person to tell you that the Celtics got calls, when the Hawks should have.
But you have their backs
only because you think it proves your point. Totally shallow.
“AGENDA”
not
I have their backs because I agree with them on the calls that is why.
Good.
My main gripe is that I’d hate for Drew to have to re-post because the comments became un-readable.
I feel bad for feeding the troll, but it happens.
100% unfair
and I got banned again so this is my last comment.
You can say all you want about the comments and whatever can be said on this blog, or not said on this blog.
The bottom line is if the Hawks play the Cavs in the playoffs this year, the Hawks will have no chance to win. 0%
They can beat the Celtics and the Celtics or Magic can beat the Cavs so they can get to the Finals that way.
They won’t beat the Cavs because none of you want to admit what is going on or even let people be able to talk about it.
The #1 way to fix a game is to make people believe it isn’t happening.
Thank You and Good Luck
GO HAWKS!!!
If feeding him got rid of him,
then I’m all for it.
Bret makes some great points over at Hoopinion
Apparently, after Rivers was ejected, the Celtics didn’t make a single substitution. Glen Davis stayed in while Scalabrine stayed on the bench. So did the Rivers ejected directly affect strategy, in essence handing the game over?
I’d love to be able to say that a coach losing his composure directly cost his team the game. I think it may have been the case. At any rate, awesome game, I’ll bask in this until we get killed by the Magic again later this month.
I was wondering about that.
I noticed Scalabrine and House didn’t sniff the floor after that. It was odd after that whole exchange. Doc really should know better than to explode like that, but I am not complaining.
Enjoyed the Game last night
What a strange game that was. I was so depressed after first half. And then the fireworks. Doc clearly lost it on that flagrant call. Was it a flagrant? I am not sure, but losing it like Doc did, left the refs no choice. Yes big baby tried to save him, but the act before was the reason for the flagrant. I mean Doc was out of control. Woody never acted like that in the Cavs game (whatever we may say about Woody, he is a gentleman). And by the way, they gave Zaza a flagrant in the first half, when Zaza clearly blocked the ball first, and then his arm coming down hit Perkins in the head. We accepted that flagrant. We get more free throws than Celtics, because we attack the basket more normally. Points in the paint is normally in our advantage. Celtics, attack from outside in. Mostly relying on outside shots with exception of Perkins and Rondo. RA and Pierce and even KG when in there, have turned into outside shooters (something about the age thing with KG I think).
One thing about last night that i really really enjoyed, and made me a believer again (lol – until the next loss when i get all depressed). I saw JJ upset in the first half on a switch, that is what i like to see from my captain. and that huddle at the end, the we against the world huddle of the coach and players, there is no better feeling in basketball than that. JJ was on fire, we can ride him when he plays like that. A great win, clearly a Celtics team missing some big pieces, but regardless Celtics are a good matchup for us. Now we can focus on other teams for a little while. Tired/exhausted of playing Celtics/Cavs/Orlando so close to each other, though we are hungry for playing the King again :) Go Hawks and by the way love the blogs here
So, it was just another manic Monday?
I wish it was Sunday. Cause that’s my fun day.
And on Jamal getting fouled, the other night they mentioned how he has I think 21 career 4 point plays, and was fast closing in on Reggie Miller’s record.
great great great game!
Loved marv and jjs hustle. the whole team did really well when down and got the crowd out of it. Thanks doc and happy feet Perkins! lots of help from them lol. on to the next game at the wizards tomorrow
by Hawksgirl on Jan 12, 2010 9:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
lol, happy feet perkins
nique said he was shuffling so much he was dancing
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Tommy Heinsohn
Watching the game last night on the local Boston broadcast was beyond torture. Every 2 seconds Tommy Heinsohn was complaining and crying about the fouls with comments like " This is Criminal!" and “If the Celts did the same thing, and get no whistle… blah blah blah”… I almost cut off my big toe in agony listening to this. I had to vent somewhere, being an Atlanta transplant in Boston isn’t as appealing as it may seem… GO HAWKS!
Eww, that doesn't sound pleasant at all
Maybe one day you can come back home to the A.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
It was on NBA TV
so all non-Atl-iens got subjected to the grating guttural conflagration that is Heinsohn the Elder.
God, I know, but what made it all worth it was hearing absolutely nothing from his big piehole
in the 4th quarter.
It’s funny—he’s all over those ’Nique highights. Apparently back in the day he used to mention when a player on the opposing team did something right. Now he has gone so totally homer that he can only acknowledge his own team—plays by the other team are either awful, illegal, or not worthy of any mention at all.
I’ll take more of the latter for $500, please, Alex.
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