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Orlando Magic 113, Atlanta Hawks 85 or game plan, we don't need no stinking game plan.

Last nights debacle, has given plenty of reason for anger, depression, doubt, and all those other knee jerk emotions that come with your team being beat in every stage of the game and after the beating was thorough enough, getting beat some more. The phrase "reign blows upon your head" comes to mind. I have said it in jest many a time. Now I know what it looks like. So all our worked up feelings are rightfully there. If you feel reassured after this loss, there are some problems, but lets have some perspective. This is a team in the Magic that was borderline desperate, and they came out an executed like it was the case.

Check out the post game quotes,

"That's about as happy as I've been with a regular-season win in a long time," Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said. "We just needed to get a win so we can all get a good night sleep and get the monkey off our back."

and

"Everybody's been down a little bit," Anderson said. "We really needed that one."

Now granted Stan Van Gundy's happy is most peoples' borderline depression, but you get the point. This was a team that needed a win. They were at home, against a team that matches up horribly against them, and they hit all their shots. Throw in better execution and a better game plan, and the result is still embarrassing for Atlanta, but it is not the end of the world. If you go in expecting a loss, is it that big of a deal that you lost by 30? Maybe it is, but I don't look at point margin of one game as that big of a deal. Especially when Atlanta has one of the best in the league over the entire season. If the Hawks fall apart the next two months, make fun of me for thinking differently. Atlanta is far from a perfect team, last night that was demonstrated. But really all this game did for me was make it clear, I don't want to see Orlando in the second round of the playoffs. And honestly, I already knew that.

On our Coach

What this game does show is the Hawks still can't take a punch. The good news is they are so much better individually and as a team, they rarely take more than a glancing blow most games. But if a team comes out and executes with a better game plan, there is no semi-elite team in the league that gives up easier on their own plan than the Hawks.

This is nothing short of a Woody problem. More often than not, the Hawks do not see their game plan shut down as much as they freak out about it working and move to one on one offense with little ball movement and lots of jump shots. And when the game plan is actively stopped, there is no counter move. Ever. Ever. As in never.

Don't believe me? Cuing Al Horford,

"I think our guys got a little discouraged. They were going to the basket and Dwight was blocking their shots. We have to stay after a team and a shot blocker like that. I think the guys started to settle and take jump shots. They took us out of what we wanted to do and they went to the other end, and we couldn’t stop them."

We all knows this though. Blowouts just remind us that is the case. Some it has to do with the skill of the players around the team. Some nights they just do not have the touch and their natural ability cannot overcome cold shooting. People could argue that is a player issue for wandering from the game plan, but the coach controls the players, and I can't say I have seen anyone yanked from the game not named Acie Law or Jeff Teague for going against coaches orders.

Still, where Woodson's failure to coach in the game seriously boggles the mind is on defense. This part of the game is where he actually firmly imposes his game plan. Woody switches on every screen. At its best, the strategy forces some chaotic ball handling and over dribbling. It keeps screen and rolls covered up and takes massive advantage of the Hawks length and athleticism. It works a lot. It has worked more probably this year than any other. Shoot, sometimes it covers up Mike Bibby's defensive liabilities. Still, it is every damn time. I have used a 1,000 analogies for how doing something the same way ever time is horrible but why not another?

Greg Maddux had one of the best change ups of all time. It took advantage of his skill set of locating pitches, moving the ball, and knowing when to throw it in the count. The last one being the most important. If Maddux threw the changeup every time, his career would have lasted about 20 innings. It is too easy to adjust even when the actual strategy is an advantage.

Ben Q. Rock of Orlando Pinstriped Post was in the post game locker and graciously passed along this snippet of a Q&A with  Ryan Anderson,

"It looked like Stan wanted to get you and Rashard more involved in the post. Is that a point of emphasis with him, or is that just because Atlanta was switching all those screens?"

Anderson responded, "It was part of our gameplan, really, because they were switching. But, if somebody's goin', like if Rashard has a switch and really scoring, really putting the ball in the hoop, he [Van Gundy] likes to run plays to really send him down in the post, especially if teams are going to switch. That switch really kinda made it be easier to post up smaller guys and get open shots in the post."

You may not get Golden State in the film room figuring out the exact way to defeat the screen switch, and there might be some teams that just do not have the personnel to counter it. But you are going to have some who see the strategy and counter it. If the Hawks say, oh well that is our game plan, they are probably in for at least two more big losses to the Magic.

It should go without saying but I will say it anyway. Imposing your game plan means succeeding, not staying the course or switching for nothing at all. It means countering and trusting. Too often we see stubborn and disbelief. Many of us wonder why these kinds of losses produce the same quote book of excuses, "bad energy" and "poor focus." It is probably because it is easier on the wallet to say those than "I don't trust the offensive game plan" or "The only game plan we have is to switch on every screen."

Go Hawks!

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I specifically remember one of the assistant coaches asking Woody about the switching techinique

Woody’s response: “Yeah, we’re switching everything.” Everything? All the time? My God, I’m not a head coach, but I can clearly pick out when things are going awry. They should hold a raffle. If the team loses by more than 15 points, a fan should be able to find Woody and slap the hell out of him. Unbelievable.

by dstdeelite on Jan 10, 2010 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

I'm glad you only quoted Al

After last night, he’s the only one who had a right to speak out on the game.

by axhfan on Jan 10, 2010 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

orlando is the only team that could do this to us healthy or missing a star.

Switching on every screen is wonderful and would be nearly unstoppable if our fourth quarter line up featured josh childress (O how I loved his Al horford like approach to the game). The offense is just sad and watching the Espn game where they repeatedly talked about our one one basketball deficiencies clearly screamed coaching change.

by RealSquawk on Jan 10, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

I guess

Everyone can assume (if they hadn’t already) that the hawks are due for a few more blowouts like this with the same strategies the hawks use against every team.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 10, 2010 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

Hawks have no Plan B and they don't trust Plan A completely

It would be fine if the Hawks were so good on offense that it wouldn’t matter that they were awful on defense, or if they were so good on defense it wouldn’t matter that they weren’t great on offense. The Hawks are neither. The Warriors are a team that has no Plan B either, but at least they have a willingness to stick to Plan A. A willingness that is unmatched by many. They’re going to shoot bad shots and run run run. They’ve scored less than 90 only twice this season. They’ve held an opponent under 100 maybe 5 times. My point is, they’re an awful team, absolutely dreadful, but they stick to their game plan no matter how flawed it is. It’s who they are. They know their only shot at winning games is to outscore the opponent and they go down in flames trying. They don’t stop running just because they’re playing a great defensive team. They have an identity and as a Hawks fan I’m jealous that we still don’t. I still don’t know if they’re going to come out of the locker room running or walking. After this many years under the same coach, we should at least have an identity. If an awful team has one, we should have one. There’s no excuse.

by Co Co on Jan 10, 2010 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

The identity is Iso-Joe.

No kidding. It’s what we do when the chips are down. Slow down the ball and dribble and let a guy who get to the free throw line try to score over three defenders.

Sheer genius.

by rbubp on Jan 10, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, a guy who CAN’T get to the free throw line.

by rbubp on Jan 10, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He can't fire Woody right now

as much as I don’t like his coaching, the team is fourth in the conference and barely second in the division. As flawed as he is, they can’t argue with that because I suspect the least Sund wanted was for the team to be in the division hunt.

by Co Co on Jan 10, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree CoCo

after the second loss to Cavs, I was wondering whether we should change Woody too. But we need to let him finish the year. When i cool down, i agree with you. He should get an extension if we are at least more competitive than last year second round showing, and get 50-55 wins. When i am depressed i think we should fire him tomorrow

by ATLpaul on Jan 10, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm thinking ECF

has to be the outcome for him and or Joe to return. If this team bows out in the second round again then we know the ceiling for this team with Joe and Woody if they continue down the path of playing how they’ve played. If they lose by sharing the ball and making adjustments then that’s one thing, but if they lose because of isos and an unwillingness to make adjustments then it’s time to move on.

by Co Co on Jan 10, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

No, there's no way.

 What they need, to justify Woody’s firing, is another early-round playoff exit like last year’s.

by rbubp on Jan 10, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting point of view on defense

Hawks defensive strategy is not typical, so why do Hawks deploy it? A while back (Thanks dstdeelite for reminding me of Childress) when Billy was still the sheriff, it must have occurred to Woody that he had interchangeable parts. The grand scheme was completed by drafting AC Law, a big point guard. So now Hawks had AC, JJ, Childress, Marvin, Horford, Josh. No team would be able to really put our team at a disadvantage. a 6-8 Forward could be as well defended by JJ as by Marvin as by AC as …. So was the theory. Along the line, something happened. AC didn’t work out, we trade and got bibby, lose Childress, and his replacements are not as athletic (though JC is a much better player and Murray was a better shooter than Childress). But the defense now has holes. The switching does not work all the time. A smart coach, or smart players take advantage of mismatches. In the Celtics game I saw Pierce immediately shoot over Bibby when a switch happened. With Cavs, LeBron will do/does the same. Woody must adjust depending on type of guards he is going against. But he won’t or can’t. Same as he won’t or can’t tell JJ to quit the one on one stuff. Sam as making white choclate look like Chris Paul, and Nate Richardson look like Kobe. That is the sad part, no coaching adjustment. Good point to bring up, just another example of not rolling with the punches from a coaching perspective.

by ATLpaul on Jan 10, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

Great point

When everyone was the same size switching didn’t hurt. Now that there are some shorties on the team, it’s a problem that needs to be addressed.

by Co Co on Jan 10, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Worked even better

When the original plan was JJ at the point, with some combination of Childress, Marv, and Smoove. All they were lacking was Horford at the time for the ideal 1-5-but JJ didn’t work out at the point so we were using guys like Lue and Ivey.

by Bronn on Jan 10, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I've decided

That the Hawks’ problem with Orlando is more about preparation and game-planning than actual mismatches. The Hawks are so worried about Dwight and his shot blocking presence down low that they’re surprised when Orlando is actually outside and contesting jumpshots. They’ll talk up how to contain Howard’s offense and seem to forget that this is a great shooting team.

Al Horford was the best Hawk on the floor last night. He played essentially dead even with Dwight Howard-not as many assists or rebounds, but Dwight had 4 turnovers. That mismatch at center is not nearly as one-sided as we like to think. He even got Dwight in a little bit of foul trouble, and Dwight voiced enough frustration to earn a tech. It’s the other 4 guys on the floor with Horford who were being outplayed. JJ Redick outplayed JJ! I don’t even know how to deal with that.

Frankly, I wish I could just say “Orlando has the best center on Earth, and we can’t deal with that,” but the problem is so much deeper than that. This must be how New York Mets fans used to feel about the Atlanta Braves. The only difference is that they actually got some competitive games out of it.

by Bronn on Jan 10, 2010 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

The rebounding numbers don't support that, though.

Personally, I think mismatches comes down into more subtle things than scoring and rebounding anyway…I think it’s cuts, angles, positioning, quality of shots taken. I think Orl is much more physical than the Hawks and that’s what Al means when he says the Hawks got frustrated then the Magic didn’t let them do what they wanted to do. It’s getting to the right spots on the floor.

by rbubp on Jan 10, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

(again, didn't see the game...)

but I have seen this happen: Gortat and Redding and Lewis and even Anthony Johnson IMPOSE THEIR WILL on the Hawks. And the only guy we have that is unafraid to push ’em back and keep pushing back without getting frustrated and throw out the game plan is…Al.

IMO.

by rbubp on Jan 10, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

If Horford is the best Hawk on the floor

And he’s dealing with Dwight Howard all night, we’re really in trouble. And it’s happened more than just this game.

At any rate, the Hawks have no desire to get quality shots most nights, and it works out anyway.

by Bronn on Jan 10, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's mental at this point.

The Hawks hear that they don’t match up well with the Magic and that the Magic are this and that. The Magic’s 4 losses in a row prior to last night, were to Chicago, Indiana, Toronto and Washington. If THEY can beat the Magic, the Hawks can too. They (Hawks) just don’t believe they can. I guess it’s going to take a 7 game series that the Hawks lose to give them confidence to play with Orlando.

by Co Co on Jan 10, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah i believed Crawford was actually better than Al which did not do anything while howard was in the game he looked scared of dwight and wanted nothing of him, he started scoring when dwight was out (garbage time)

by doublettoluca on Jan 10, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said

Horford was holding his own, and at times frustrating Howard, by now it is clear, Horford does not back down from any one, that kid is blue blood. And the front line was ok overall. Sad part is Vince Carter was not even there and we still act like this team is the best in the league. I agree with HawksDawg, they were due to take their frustration on somebody, but God we sure helped them out

by ATLpaul on Jan 10, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Horford is the true all-star on this team.

And he has really improved his offense this year, and it’s a damn shame the ball doesn’t go through him more often.

If only Josh would learn even one solid offensive move…what a low-post tandem we would have. But Al brings those intangibles, man. He is good at everything. The new “Big Fundamental.” !!!

by rbubp on Jan 10, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

same thing as above i dont know what game you were watching but yeah i Crawford was actually better than Al which did not do anything while howard was in the game he looked scared of dwight and wanted nothing of him, he started scoring when dwight was out (garbage time) i mean al was settling fro jumpers and dwight was toying with him on the offensive side of the ball. it was a bad game for everybody on the hawks in my opinion

by doublettoluca on Jan 10, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what game you were watching

but Al went right at Dwight. He got him into early foul trouble and was holding his own against him. And anyway, Al can hit those short jumpers. I don’t mind him taking them at all. And even if he did stop going down low and settled for jumpers, by that time the game was way out of hand. Why bang around with Dwight unnecessarily?

by dstdeelite on Jan 10, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't really care if Al is settling for jumpers

if he’s 6-7 shooting, maybe he out to be taking a few more.

by Bronn on Jan 10, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the point everyone is making

is that Al didn’t just throw his hands up and say to hell with this like the rest of his teammates.

by Co Co on Jan 10, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

idk if that how al plays it one thing but he dint seem to play well against dwight at all in my opinion hes to small to keep Dwight out of the paint he cant guard dwight 1 on 1 only physical centers like Perkins can due that and thats why your team does not do well against the magic

by doublettoluca on Jan 10, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Al

Perkins is a good center and plays Howard better than any one in the league. But Al was absolutely not the problem last night. In fact he frustrated Howard as explained above, when he took the ball strong to him and made a 3 pointer. Howard then got a tech. Look at Al’s shooting. Yes Perkins pushes Howard out and probably plays him better than anyone else in the league. Howard causes problems for most teams and players, that is a tough matchup for Al, but he is up to it

by ATLpaul on Jan 10, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

he dint frustrate dwight at all he only got dwight to commit one foul or 2 on him and al was absolutely abused by dwight on the other side of the ball

by doublettoluca on Jan 10, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

lol dwight howard wasn’t even guarding al he was helping out j.j dwight went inside on al he left him open to go double he let him shoot that lil jumper but thats it Al had like 6 points against dwight (while dwight was in the game) the rest where garbage time points…..

by doublettoluca on Jan 10, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, I went back and watched the first half.

Those Hawks fans who think Howard is not a problem and that Al can guard him—DID YOU NOTICE that Al was benched in the first quarter after Howard pushed him out of the way, caught the ball, and dunked under the basket for his 10th point about 5 minutes in???

Woody SAT HIS SKINNY BUTT, PEOPLE. He didn’t come back in until about halfway thought the 2nd when Howard was on the bench!! (However, doublettoluca, please recognize that Horford is not intimidate by anyone, regardless. He most certainly did not play “scared.”)

It wouldn’t have mattered anyway. The Hawks played matador defense and were sloppy with the ball—5 TOs in the first quarter; anyone Joe Johnson had scored easily. It was Let Any White Dude Score Over JJ Night.

So the Magic were very focused after their losses and the hawks were out to lunch. But no mistake about the matchup issue: Howard stopped scoring when Pachulia came in. As far as strategy, when not pushing the ball in to Howard, the Magic got the ball where they thought they had an advantage: Redick vs JJ, Anderson vs Mo Evans, etc.

Regardless, it’s hard to call out Woody for that when the players didn’t show up. And it was painfully obvious that they didn’t. When JJ Redick is driving past you for layups at the cup, you aren’t freakin’ trying.
 

by rbubp on Jan 10, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't believe anyone said al cam ..matchup against dwight

They are saying him(al) being an undersized center frustrated dwight and never gave up when when the gam.e was out of reach. he played with his heart and kept at it. but anyway my thoughts are that jamal and the bigs played quite well. I really believe they don’t have confidence against Orlando. if it doesn’t work they give up and go to iso just like Hawksdawg said. The coach is supposed to set the team straight when things go wrong or aren’t working. Its mental with them.they need to be “challenged.”rivals

by Hawksgirl on Jan 10, 2010 5:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

al he did was dunked on gortat and put at mad face on ( i would have told him look at the scoreboard and why dint he do that when dwight was there cause dwight would of blocked the shot

by doublettoluca on Jan 10, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder has Al been complaining about his touches

He mentioned his limited touches in the Ken’s article on ajc.com. That was the first time I had ever read anything like that coming from Al. I think we all agree the front court need more touches.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks/hawks-can-end-road-271786.html

by dstdeelite on Jan 11, 2010 8:41 AM EST reply actions  

I watched this game.....

..and for what its worth from a honest perspective Al Horford has been outplaying over 90% of the Centers in the Eastern Conference. It’s a shame he doesn’t get that type of recognition but I do believe its coming.

Dwight is a one dimensional player. You take him off his set spot in the post and he looks completely lost on the floor. Al Horford noticed this and took advantage of him defensively on a few plays.

We came off a big emotional game and that combined with Orlando’s willingness to want to get off the shide ensured our loss. I’m almost certain we’ll beat Boston tonite. It depends mainly on how many times Paul Pierce gets a friendly hand for flopping.

by LA26 on Jan 11, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

thats just how al is. He shows emotion when no one else does. I know it didnt matter but it matters to him because his team didnt care and dignity was at stake.

by Hawksgirl on Jan 11, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

The two things the hawks have to do better

Is closing out on the shooters and rebounding. When playing the Magic they (the magic) always look for the open shooter and (against Atlanta) always drive the ball to the hoop exploiting the low post defense, the help has to come.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 11, 2010 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

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