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It is all numbers these days! Benchmarks for the 3rd seed in the East.

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The Hawks are going to be hard pressed to make serious headway on the big three in the East. Barring injuries within Cleveland, Orlando, and Boston, a miracle will probably be necessary. But things could break right. It is not out of the realm of possibilities to say one of those teams vastly overachieved last year and/or their new team makeup is now decently overrated. Yet, as the "young" Hawks move further and further from those potential filled early days, it is easier and easier to put "unrealized" instead of "unfulfilled" next to that big "P" word. It would be no natural progression for the Hawks to move up in the East. Yet the breaks could go Atlanta's way, subtle improvements could translate into brazen moves forward. Stranger things have happened. Much stranger things.

Therefore, staying (mostly) out of the world of divine intervention, let's look at a few numbers that might push the Hawks closer to at least threatening the big three.

20 x 2: Two Hawks players with a PER over 20. Obviously, Joe Johnson and Josh Smith are the primary candidates. Both have been within seven tenths of breaking the barrier but neither has ever done it. And neither player matched their career high last year. Smith seems the most likely to step back closer to the 20 since he had noticeable drops in rebounding, free throw shooting, and assists per 40 minutes last year. I would like to think rest for Joe Johnson would avoid the January swoon that has hurt his stats the last few years, but Johnson's career high in PER came during his career high in usage and minutes per game. You may not need a superstar if you have to complimentary all-stars. Just for point of reference though, only Kevin Garnett posted a PER over 20 last year for the Celtics.

14 and 10: Al Horford has been the model of consistency his first two years in the league. He made slight improvements in almost every category except rebounding while barely increasing his usage rate. The Hawks will need Al Horford more involved in the offense and Al needs to return to the consistent double digit rebounder that he was his rookie season. 14 points and 10 boards a night would qualify as making the "third year jump."

3.06: Mike Bibby was eighth in the league in assist to turnover ratio. He needs to keep up the pace. John Hollinger rather insightfully points out in his Hawks preview (insider only) that Atlanta was one of the few teams (ever) to have a low turnover rate and high free throws attempted (FTA/TO). I did not even know this was a stat, but apparently, it is, and apparently, it is important. The Hawks were the only team in the league in the top five in FTA and bottom ten in TOs. Basically, the team got to the line without turning it over a lot. Those two things are normally mutually exclusive. I really don't know how the team did this. I feel Joe, Josh, and Zaza turnover the ball all the time, but that is apparently just a feeling and not a fact. Regardless, the reality for this season is the Hawks need to keep it up, and that starts with Mike Bibby again in the top ten of assist to turnover. And if Woodson wants to give Horford and Josh more shots around the basket to increase that free throw attempt rate, fine by me.

15: The Hawks were 23rd in the league in rebounding last year. The big three were all in the top nine. The Hawks have to improve rebounding. This falls most heavily on Josh Smith who seemed to take less interest (and that is putting it kindly when referring to the first half of the season) in this area of his game last year. But to come even close to 15th in the league, it will be a team effort. The Hawks are not designed to dominate the boards, but that does not mean they can't be average.

41.6%: In a full season, this is the highest shooting percentage of Jamal Crawford (still not very good). It is also the only one he predominantly came off the bench. Could be a coincidence, but a career year of shooting even if it is against other team's second units would be a huge boom in reducing minutes for starters and continuing the second quarter dominance that helped defined the Hawks success last year.

More things will have to happen. Other numbers will need to bubble up (feel free to throw out others in the comments). But the fact of the matter is, if the Hawks just hope to break into the top three, they are going to remain 12 games out. Hope is not going to have anything to do with it. It is going to take action. Real improvement inside of all out effort. And even then it might not be enough, but it will be darn fun to watch.

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That picture/headline combo

is the greatest thing I have seen in a while.

“I say…what are you doin’? Some stunt flyin’ or somethin?”

by Duff_Man on Sep 29, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

so many great lines, so little time...

“Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads. And I’m gonna need ’bout ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No, no make that Quaker State”

And I’m not conceeding anything to Orlando yet. Can Howard play a full 82 again (likely, but take him out and they go down fast)? I’m not sold on Jameer Nelson as being an All Star PG anywhere but in a very weak conference for PGs, and I’m interested to see how they look with Vince Carter replacing Hedo Turkoglu. Those two have extremely different games and styles of play, so the rest of the team will have to change with them to suit, and I don’t think Carter is near the boost to his teammates’ play like the Turk was.

by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 29, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

“Can I borrow your towel for a sec? My car just hit a water buffalo.”

i am a firm believer that howard can be as good as he wants to be. dude is a beast. but i am with you on the turk vs. vince thing. it could put them over the top but i am not convinced. at the very least, it is not a slam dunk upgrade.

then agian, no way i pay hedo what toronto did so…..

by hawksdawgs on Sep 29, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I'm Freda's boss"

“Who’s Freda?”
“My secretary.”

And agree on Howard, just saying if he misses two weeks, maybe a month or more, with an injury, I think they’d really suffer. And I don’t think Carter is an upgrade. He is a completely different player than Turkoglu—not the passer, nor anywhere near as good at creating a shot for himself or his teammates, smaller and not the same defensively or on the glass either. Changing Hedo for VC is a BIG change in my eyes, and not one that will be for the better of the team.

by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 29, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

"What kind of name is Poon anyways?"

“Comcanche Indian”

Well it now appears that JJ is going to test the open market for free agency and NOT sign an extension. I am hoping that means he will have an incredible year to go for that big money.

I think Orlando made a mistake getting Vince to replace Hedo. Hedo was a team guy and fit into what they needed. Conversely, there’s a reason Vince has been on so many teams. All flash, no substance. VC has been “me-first” his whole career and single-handedly destroyed Toronto when he quit on the team. I wouldn’t put much stock in him being second banana in his own mind. Think Tracy McGrady. Rockets are better without him for a reason.

by Duff_Man on Sep 29, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

"He just went out for his urinalysis...he'll be back

.737 – Hawks’ FT percentage. A four-point percentage improvement would be a fantastic thing for the Hawks. It all starts with…

.588 – Josh Smith’s FT percentage. Josh goes to the hole more and gets this up to, say .667, and he will make a leap and help the team along with him.

by Duff_Man on Sep 29, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

"put it on the underhills"

i almost added this one but though it might be the most unrealistic

.500- Record against the big three this year. That would be an enormous improvement. nearly impossible. but it seems hard to think the hawks take that step withou a big step against the actual competition.

by hawksdawgs on Sep 29, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

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PER for Teague. This and good defense would let us phase Mo out

by thirdfALCON on Sep 29, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

although not sure if it would phase out mo or not. got to have someone backing up marvin other than joe.

by hawksdawgs on Sep 29, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Mo

I know I am in the minority, but the guy hustles, is our best 3pt shooter, and like him or not, he was a very vocal leader during the Heat series.

He’s inexpensive and versatile, so for now, I like how he fits on the team.

Of course if Teague wants to blossom into a very good player, we get win/win.

by Duff_Man on Sep 30, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like him too

but he’s our worst rotation player. As for how this would phase out Mo. Teague would pick up all the backup minutes from Bibby, and Crawford would backup both Joe and Marvin. Josh could also play SF minutes now that we have a deeper frontcourt, which should help in the rebounding department.

It just makes us a stronger team with more options as Mo is a 1(2?) dimensional player. Of course having him in reserve if/when injuries do occur is very nice.

by thirdfALCON on Sep 30, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

point taken

i agree with everything you say. only i feel bad for Mo that we only had 8 rotation guys last year. makes the whole “worst rotation guy” not that bad of a thing.

by hawksdawgs on Sep 30, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

12: the number of additional wins the Hawks would need this year to match what last year’s 3rd seed Orlando had

by redwards95 on Sep 30, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

55

get at least that many wins. We might need 60 to win the division,

by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 30, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but hope does play a part!

The definition of hope is a feeling that what is wanted will happen. Now I do agree about the number thing and of course the action thing. I disagree about the hope thing. What, are you saying the Hawks shouldn’t expect to win or have a strong desire that they are gonna win when they step out on the court on game night? Do you not remember the Hawks before playing Boston in the playoffs? I remember a team that seemed used to losing and didn’t really expect to win until they took Boston to a seven game series. And what do you know, doubt and despair began to be replaced with hope and belief. With hope you expect more and you give more in your efforts. That’s what distinguishes the winners from the losers.

I wanna continue to see a team filled with actions that spell hope and not one with actions that say despair : Boston, Orlando, and Cleveland are better than us they have the numbers, we might as well settle for 4th place or just making the playoffs. Yeah those three teams have the superstars, we might as well just show up and not even try cause we know we’re gonna lose. Joe, Josh, Al, Zaza, and the rest of the team are not superstars so they can’t possibly be champs. No Dwight is superman his team’s definitely gonna be in first place cause the Hawks don’t have a superman. Numbers are concrete, hope is just a feeling it doesn’t affect your actions. Uggg, blah, no wonder people with no hope wanna die.

I don’t want to see the Hawks die. So I say lets keep hope in the mixture with the numbers, and of course actions and everything else that will help the team progress.

by DPhenomenal1 on Sep 30, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

i hate the lame hawks

by DPhenomenal1 on Sep 30, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

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