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Mike Bibby, where winning doesn't solve anything

Is there a less appreciated winner than Mike Bibby? American sports fans will set aside just about anything if a guy is a winner. You can be a gunslinger if you sling tds at the right time. You can take whole seasons off if you try hard for a contender and win. I mean just going off the top of my head with other guys named Michael, Jordan gave one of the least gracious hall of fame speeches you will ever see, Irvin stabbed a teammate with scissors, and Tyson did everything. All three are in a different stratosphere than Bibby but all three have been forgiven or loved or had certain events selectively ignored because they won.

People hate Mike Bibby. He is an on going joke among some NBA writers. He rarely gets credit for anything other than a quick, above average jump shot. But nothing negative is ignored. Not his defense or his ball handling. Not his tatooes or his ability to finish. Not his leadership or passion. The good things are at best acknowledged and the bad things are almost always dwelled upon. 

Not that pointing out weaknesses is abnormal in the sports world or that people are making things up about Bibby. It is just a bit weird since Mike Bibby is a winner. He won a title in college. If you do not count the Vancouver years against him (and no one should have the Vancouver years counted against them except Big Country Reeves), he has made the playoffs every year but one in his NBA career. It could be argued that he was the most clutch performer on one of the greatest teams not to win a championships the last decade. And if you want to revise history that is up to you, but truth be told, the Hawks looked well on their way to extending their playoff drought until that Mike Bibby trade.Yet the benefit of the doubt, or even the benefit of the positive is rarely afforded to him.

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Of course, Mike Bibby has real weaknesses. He is as bad on defense as anyone says. If you hear an argument as to why Mike Bibby is good at defense, right it down and retell it later in the context of a joke. It will kill. Bibby rarely drives the lane. He is not always great at pushing the pace. Lacks, to the fans eye, any demonstrative leadership ability. And for some unknown reason, winning does not soften any of those weaknesses.

Maybe it was his enormous previous contract. Maybe it is his tattoos. Maybe it is because he looks a little like Dr. Evil. I don't know, but I don't entirely get it. From game to game, Mike can be annoying beyond measure. You see the defensive lapses, you dream of a drive and kick point guard, but on the Hawks, he rarely is the catalyst for losing (either a game or a series). And since the Hawks have congealed as a team best and most visibly under Mike, it may be time to admit that our point guard offers a little more than meets the eye.

The negatives of Mike Bibby's game are strikingly visible. We will complain about them throughout the year I am sure. But for the most part, all the man has ever done is help teams win. So maybe there is more than meets the eye. Maybe Bibby brings more than a nice alley-oop pass and a slightly streaky three point shot. There are real reasons to be nervous and to complain and even to say Mike Bibby should not be starting in three years for this team. But there are worse people to plug in to keep the ship afloat and nurture a young scoring point guard along than Mike Bibby. There are worse things to have than a veteran point guard who can shoot and win.

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There is only one explanation for this

So maybe there is more than meets the eye.

Mike Bibby is an Autobot!

In Dimitroff we trust

by Bonhoffer on Sep 28, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that sneaky sob!

by hawksdawgs on Sep 28, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really like Bibby

And the fact that we didn’t make the playoffs until that trade is no coincidence. People knock his defense, and yeah, it’s not great, but show me a PG who IS good on the defensive side. In this day of “no touching” in the NBA, guards are already at a disadvantage. What I do notice Bibby doing is getting into passing lanes and being asdisruptive as possible. If we had brought in Steve Nash (possibly the worst defensive player in the NBA) would people still whine about it? Probably not.

As a former point guard myself, I really started to watch PG play when we had Mookie Blaylock and always seem to find myself looking off the ball. He does a good job of finding open guys, directing traffic off the ball, and most importantly, he is not afraid to counsel anyone on the floor (including Woody). The Hawks needed a more vocal guy out there to direct the ship, and he brought that nice balance. Those are the intangible things that we needed on the floor.

by Duff_Man on Sep 28, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but i do agree that pg is probably the best spot to be suspect on defense

i heard a steve nash interview where he talks about the same thing. with the rules, pick and roles, need for team defense, no pg is a lock down defender on other great pgs.

that is not to say the hawks would be fastly improved if we could replace rondo’s defense with bibbys, but i think we would be much more improved if we could replace Josh Smith’s defense with KG. and josh smith is no where near as bad as bibby.

by hawksdawgs on Sep 28, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"NO TOUCHING!"...

almost agree. Would Mookie Blaylock be nearly as effective defensively today?

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 1, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post. I like Bibby. He is the type of PG the Hawks needed in an offense built heavily around Joe Johnson either creating his own shot or passing to an open jump shooter out of a double team. Sure it would be great if Bibby defended better but a good coach (ahem) could compensate for that weakness by double teaming or doing anything more sane than always switching. Bibby also rebounds well for a PG which is a big help on this team full of players who think balls coming off the glass are a form of hot potato to be avoided.

by redwards95 on Sep 29, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kings fan here… I had a chance to watch Bibby for quite a lot of his career, and one thing I can say is that he is an absolute stone cold shooter in the 4th. The reason why he was so good in crunch time during the King’s heyday is that he could coast for the first three quarters of the game and pick and choose where he made an impact – we had plenty of other horses at the time. I’ve always said that if he can conserve his energy, he’ll absolutely kill it down the stretch.

As time went by, however, Bibby was asked to be the focal point more and more frequently, and defend more consistently. He was too tired by the end to hit the big shot with as much consistency.

That’s also why he is such a great fit with your team. He can defer to Johnson et al. for the heavy lifting, and still be fresh enough for the end. The up tempo style you guys play also looks similar (at times) to the Kings of old.

Good luck this year!

I wonder sometimes how Ricky Berry would've turned out

by luckthefakers on Oct 1, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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