The Hawks aren’t just letting Marvin walk. They’ve given him a qualifying offer and so far nobody else has offered him one. Odds are good he’ll be back in Atlanta for at least one more year. I’m pretty much in agreement with your take on Marvin and Josh. The problem is the Hawks will be just as much a guard dominated team this year as the previous few, and if Marvin’s problem is lack of aggressiveness, it’s not clear that’s something that can be fixed. Of course Josh has his own attitude problems too.

Check the playoffs. There is a reason Marvin is just now entering into contract conversations when Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Danny Granger have long ago signed contracts that totally exceed there Qualifying Offers, because they exceeded expectations. Marvin has been a disappointed or question mark at best. Josh was the 18th pick in the draft and raises his play in the playoffs. You guys that continue to knock Josh are way lost.

 i would trade josh for b.wright and biedrins from golden state since they cant have amare.
 we get our big man and reserve power forward.

Stop this talk about J Smooth being traded. That will not and should not happen. He plays D, rebounds, blocks shots.
Marrvin is a role piece at best and will not progress beyond that. Trying to send the offense through him would be a total waste.

You obviously aren’t watching the team I’m watching, Josh will become a All-Star this year while Marvin will continue to live off of potential. Any garbage these big name programs such as North Carolina put out people stand behind it as some type of ultra skilled greatness.

marvin been improving, but considering the team it is not just enough to be a great shooter. he doesn’t have the quickness needed to consistently impose our will and win at a higher level. I prefer to add a more athletic defender at his position, and bring him back. Jamario Moon should be considered

I have gone back and forth on this for quite some time. . . i guess you could say i’m as inconsistent about this topic as Josh’s play. But the notion of getting rid of Josh and moving Al to his more “natural” position at the 4 just doesn’t fly with me. The Hawks would immediately become a much less athletic team. Don’t want to take anything away from Al, but he was a “natural” 4 in college. And while he is athletic, i don’t think he is enough of a scorer to play the 4 on this team. Most people don’t want to play us because of our athleticism. Al at the 5 and Josh at the 4 are big reasons we are athletic. Getting rid of josh and moving Al to the 4 and getting a “classic” big man to play the 5 will totally change the look and feel of the team.

I mean, not that the athleticism matters a ton right now with the “offense” that Woody has us “running”. I still can’t figure out what they are trying to do.

So, keep Josh, keep Marvin, keep Al at the 5 and keep ZaZa. I think Jamaal Crawford is going to impact this team in a much greater way than we expected. I can see Crawford starting a the 3 over Marvin and also spelling Bibby and Teague at the 1, and Joe at the 2 when Marvin is in the game at the 3. I mean, imagine Bibby at the 1, Joe at the 2, Crawford at the 3, Josh at the 4 and Al at the 5. We shouldn’t have problems scoring with that lineup. And Marvin can be the 6th man of the year.

Also, i have a sneaking suspicion that Josh will be working on a true jump shot over the offseason instead of that weak set shot he kept throwing up there last year. He seems determined to be able to hit the 3.

Marvin had to deal with the expectation “being selected ahead of Chris Paul.” Because Chris Paul has had such a great career so far, no matter what Marvin does, it does not look at as much. Now since it’s fourth year, he learend how to deal with all that pressure, so he continued to be better.

As far as Josh, you just can’t ignore he is extremely talented both end on the floor. If he just learns how to control his emotion and continue to practice his perimeter game and post up game, he is going to be one of the top players in NBA.

Overall, I think Josh is better than Marvin, but Marvin will have solid career, as long as he can shake off the fact he “had to be selected before Chris Paul”

Marvin- skill wise is a better player
Josh- is a better athlete (right now)
Marvin- can shoot with range
Josh- sporadic (usually off more than on)
Marvin- can guard 2-4 one on one
Josh- is best as a weak side help defender

I like Josh too but he is more valuable right now as a tradeable peice to get a more specialized position player

shot clock running down…you pass him the ball…what is he going to do?….You don’t know…… opposing team I guard him loosely away from the rim, and that makes it hard to penetrate. His best play is guard drives then throws the alley to him……I’m not saying he is not important. But his offense is limited, and he doesn’t rebound like he should……a healthy Marvin is more of a scoring threat (when he can get the ball) and a better one on one defender. This team has more scoring options with Al at PF and Marvin at SF