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Marvin Williams staying in Atlanta

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Marc Spears is reporting a deal of five years worth 40 million dollars for Marvin Williams. Just for reference, it is 18 million less than Josh Smith's deal last year and 7 million more than (the older, less accomplished) Trevor Ariza just signed.

Any time you spend 40 million dollars on anything, certain people are not going to be happy. Throw in the fact that Marvin has underachieved compared to his draft position and others drafted behind him have succeeded greatly (not sure if you have heard) and it is not the easiest sell.

But the fact remains, your second contract has nothing to do with where you were drafted. And while the Hawks may have been bidding against themselves this year, they would have been bidding against 20 teams next summer if they let him become unrestricted.

So what did we get? A 23 year old, model citizen who has improved every year he has been in the league. Did the Hawks get a bargain? No. Did they get taken to the cleaners? No.

While I am not willing to call this the greatest summer in Hawks history, fans will now see the best of Marvin Williams the basketball player, and that could turn out alright.

Poll
If 40 million over five years is correct, how do you feel about the Marvin Williams deal?
A- we just locked up a future all-star.
61 votes
B- hawks paid market value and in the end, the market may have undervalued Marvin.
169 votes
C- Good glue guy but wish he came a little cheaper.
87 votes
D- Good now lets go find our starting small forward.
12 votes
F- Marvin Williams has now screwed Hawks fans twice.
24 votes

353 votes | Poll has closed

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“At a time when the three teams that finished above the Hawks — Cleveland, Boston and Orlando — have made major offseason acquisitions, Sund had to hold his core together if the Hawks were to stand any chance of moving upward. And it appears he has.” (Bradley)

Interesting logic—the other three teams ahead of the Hawks improve themselves while the Hawks keep the same team—so they can possibly pass one of the three.

Have you guys seen the pigs flying over the Georgia Pacific building this summer? They are BIG. And have long, lovely pink wings.

by rbubp on Jul 29, 2009 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

No logic

We don’t have a chance of passing the teams in front of us and either Detroit, Toronto, Chicago, or New Jersey is gonna jump over us for the 4th spot.

by Hawks-Semi Fan on Jul 29, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Celts got no better. The Magic are treading on thin ice.

In fact, i’d say they will be taking a step back. Rasheed is at the end of his career and played awfully late last year. KG has knee issues. Paul Pierce and Ray Allen should start wearing down. The Magic traded for Vince, but that remains to be seen whether it will work. They lost a perfect fit with Hedo. It all remains to be seen.

We may be able to crack the top 3 or stay the course…either way, we didn’t get worse.

by Duff_Man on Jul 29, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please you don't know basketball

Rasheed Wallace and a healthy K.G. the Celts definitely got better.

by Hawks-Semi Fan on Jul 29, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

the hawks were without a healthy

joe johnson, al horford, and marvin williams at the end of the season so they got better too.

by hawksdawgs on Jul 29, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um...Rasheed? Did you see his appearance in last years playoffs?

No you didn’t because he never showed up. If I remember correctly, it was like 6ppg.

And KG has a HUGE concern with his knee issue.

by Duff_Man on Jul 29, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

also please prove your point without

telling people whether they know basketball.

reminder to all, a proven point is the best and only accepted insult on this board.

by hawksdawgs on Jul 29, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this isn't Hawkstr8talk.

Go see Larry if you want get told what an idiot you are.

by rbubp on Jul 29, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marvin is Garbage and his family posting on this site needs to go away

Marvin has screwed Hawks fans twice and Sund is the idiot I thought he was. One good move in Teague. A questionable move in Crawford who is not gonna play solid defense and probably will not like coming off the bench. Overpayed Bibby and Zaza. The only free-agent outside the Hawks on that he has courted is Joe Smith who is at the end of his NBA days. You had a lot of good young bigs out there now they are almost all gone. I wanna see what this idiots next move will be. What a letdown.

by Hawks-Semi Fan on Jul 29, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Family

The reason I say his family is posting is because no way the majority of sensible people think 8 mill a year is market value for this guy. Yes Villanueva got that but Artest and maybe even Odom will not got 8 mill. 8 mill is overpaying for this garbage dude that stumbles everytime he goes to the rim and has a serious back problem. What fools.

by Hawks-Semi Fan on Jul 29, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

HawksDawg is Lost

Youre second contract does have something to do with your first contract. Your qualifying offer has to do with your draft position which has to do with your first contract. You are inaccurate again.

by Hawks-Semi Fan on Jul 29, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

shelden williams drafted fifth

no qo. no second contract. if you think the Hawks are paying the other four years at 8 million because the first year would be roughly the same as the QO, I think you are mistaken.

but i agree. i would like to think i am wrong far more than i am inaccurate.

by hawksdawgs on Jul 29, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shelden Williams, no one has to pay you they can let you walk

The qualifying offer for guys is established. It’s not just some thought up #. How is would Marvin’s offer be established other than his draft position. If the Hawks, had decided that they didn’t want to make a offer he would just have been an unrestricted FA your wrong, and Marvin sucks. Give me a rookie like James Johnson atleast I will hope, not to mention, give me Rudy Gay someone that can really play and is aggressive that has a smaller contract. There were so many better options.

by Hawks-Semi Fan on Jul 29, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you are underestimating a a few things.

Marvin is an above-average and versatile on-ball defender—the only one we have, and at a rather key position (most of the top scorers in the league are 2s or 3s). Also, he is fundamentally sound, consistently plays hard every night even when he is not filling up the stat sheet, and correctly does a lot of the little things—set picks, draw fouls, shoot free throws, post up—that our other players cannot be bothered with.

Finally, he actually works to improve in the off-season and is still only 23.

I know this will not be enough to convince you, because his numbers are not amazing and he does not make high-flying dunks or blocked shots, but he is a strong player who is worth this on the market.

by rbubp on Jul 29, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hawks-Semi Fan

needs a hug. Would you rather let marvin go? Who would replace him? Don’t throw out random player that you want better than marvin because in order to get someone better, we’d have to pay more money for someone with less upside….. you are angry

by marvin's ladies of the night on Jul 29, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Marvin..

has gotten better every year. he’s solid at rebounding, defense and a mid range jumper. He’s dramatically improved his ability to finish at the rim and his 3 pt shot. Good contract. Plus at this point, I trust Sund

by marvin's ladies of the night on Jul 29, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Good Deal!!!

I heard the contract has incentives. If so, then it will be a good deal.I will take Marvin over Villanueva and Ariza.

by dkrib on Jul 29, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I have no complaints about this deal

I feel like it’s where his value was sitting all along, around 8 million per, assuming good health. Based on TS%, he was our most efficient scorer last year, and he has a chance to really be a breakout player next year if he just gains a bit of aggressiveness.

by Bronn on Jul 29, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll take Ariza

Over Marvin any day. Ariza gets to the rim a lot easier and plays better defense.

by Hawks-Semi Fan on Jul 29, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Marvin is probably our best man defender, and his shooting is a wild card in any game. If he’s hot, the Hawks can be a really tough team to beat, and even if he’s not, he does a good job of translating his opportunities with the ball into free throw attempts.

by Bronn on Jul 29, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha

Based off about 14 games in last season’s playoffs. You are delusional and you should stop attacking people constantly.

by Jesse28 on Jul 30, 2009 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't disagree more semi-fan

Ariza had a good playoff run. He was an average player for a great team during the year. Marv had better stats for 82 games. Ariza’s mediocre stats wont improve bc he’s not getting anymore wide open 3s without Kobe on the court with him

by marvin's ladies of the night on Jul 29, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

mark Bradley

made a comment how Al is restricted after nest year. Don’t we have him locked for 2 seasons for he becomes restricted?

by marvin's ladies of the night on Jul 29, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

yes.

he makes 5.4 million in 2010-11, and has a QO of 7.1 for the 2011-12 season.

by hawksdawgs on Jul 29, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

so insert Joe or other bigger size free agent next year

and that is the hawks core for at least the next three years.

by hawksdawgs on Jul 29, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marvin Williams is young and If He Stays Healthy will gett Better and Better, at The Small Forward Position which isn't that many better.

Great To Resign him.
 What Does that Put This Year Salary’s Atlanta Hawks under contract at?
For How Many Players So Far?
You have a Good many of Core of Team under Multi Year Contracts which is great for a young and Coming team.
I guess I saw Woodson on internet , at Summer camp, So maybe he either has already Resigned or will be Resigning , I don’t know if he has signed a contract after the Season.
We Still have to Resign Joe Johnson Next Year, although he was looking a little tired some of the season.
This year you Probably need Othello Hunter, Silar Garrett, Maybe yet Another Forward .
You have to replace Solomon Jones , I think Silar may do the job if Othello or Morris Doesn’t.
Those other Forwards Looked good in Camp on Highlights.

by Jeff Gibson on Jul 30, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll Answer my own Question; See If this is about right; ( 10 players at $62 Million Dollars;)

Ten Players at Around $62 Million Dollars That is now including Marvin and Joe.
Maybe That Will leave enough for Flip Murray and 4 more From Camp.
In List Already signed, Josh Smith, Al Horford, Marvin Williams, Mike Bibby and Joe Johnson, Then subs of Zaza Pachula, Randolph Morris, Jamal Crawford , Maurice (Mo) Evans,
Jeff Teague, Sergio Gladyr . That is if No Trades are anything Happens, Hopefully No injuries. That may leave Hawks with enough for Flip Murray. AS well as Othello Hunter, Garrett Silar, and Probably Two Players. Others At Minicamp For Atlanta Hawks had a list of Around 20 Players including Guard Sundiata Gaines and some good Forwards.

by Jeff Gibson on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

It may be Nine at $59 Million or Ten At $60 Million I really don't Know.

I really Don;t know But I think Sund was guessing at 59-62 Million or Something like that. The Minimum Salary For 0 years NBA Experience by the CBA, is for this year $457,588,
for one year Player 1 Yr NBA Exp. $736,420 Nearly 1/2 Million for 0 years and Nearly 3/4 Million Annually, for 1 year exp.

by Jeff Gibson on Jul 31, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

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