Rondo on the block...should ATL make a move on this?
by ronniemac03 on Jun 6, 2009 6:57 AM EDT
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Taken from hoopsworld
For the past few days we've been hearing rumors that the Boston Celtics might be willing to part with Ray Allen before the start of the 2009-2010 season. HOOPSWORLD asked around in Chicago, where the majority of NBA executives were taking a look at most of the first round draft prospects, and managed to find out a few more details. We have now added to those, with the help of WEEI's Jessica Camerato in Boston.
Off the record, we have several sources telling us that Ray Allen is, indeed, on the block. It's easy to make the leap, as the Celtics have managed to develop some nice young talent around their Big Three while also managing to win a championship. They might have even repeated had Kevin Garnett been healthy. It's not a stretch to say the Celtics would part with Allen, who has an ending contract next season, if they could add another top young player to the mix.
On the record we have an added wrinkle - one that we thought to be highly unlikely until we found it reported with a quote attributed to Celtics GM Danny Ainge. It seems the Celtics are willing to package Rajon Rondo with Allen to make the right deal happen
"He's stubborn," Ainge told ESPN's Jackie MacMullen. "He doesn't always take direction well. He's very bright and knows what he needs to do to be successful. But sometimes he doesn't understand what the team needs to be successful."
Doc Rivers expressed similar sentiments, which he directed at Rondo himself earlier this season.
"Do you know your teammates hate playing with you? ... The point guard has to be the guy that brings energy to the team. You can't be the guy that sucks it away. Your moodiness is affecting us. Change it."
At the same time, Rondo has guys like Paul Pierce and Kendrick Perkins saying he's their leader and they believe in him. And while there is a great deal to be said for patience and seeing if Rondo will improve as much next season as he did in 2008-09, there is certainly a lot of negativity coming from the decision-makers - enough to fuel trade speculation.
The latest rumor making its way around - and we're not hearing that there is any truth to it, on or off the record - has the Phoenix Suns sending Amar'e Stoudemire (of course) to the Celtics in a package for Rondo and Allen, with Leandro Barbosa also included in the deal.
So . . .who gets benched? Kevin Garnett? Kendrick Perkins? You're talking about the best defensive front court in the NBA a season ago. Sitting Perkins removes a strong defender and replaces him with a true defensive screen door.
There is definitely some truth to the idea that the Celtics would move Ray Allen - and maybe even Rajon Rondo - if the right deal came along. As for the Suns coming up with the right deal, that seems highly unlikely.
I think if you're gonna move Josh...Rondo's the guy to get here. What do yall think?
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Josh is Not the Guy to Move
I truthfully don’t consider anybody talking that trade Josh nonsense a true observer of the Hawks. Futhermore, if Rondo is a headache why would they want to add Josh who most of the detractors point to his public feuds with Woody? Marvin is the main guy to move and will remain that until he takes a great leap or is moved. As for Rondo, I would do a Marvin trade straight-up for Rondo yesterday. Rondo plays defense, likes to push and has improved every year. I was screaming for the Hawks to take Rondo on draft night. Make it happen if it is reality Mr.Sund.
by Hawks-Semi Fan on Jun 6, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Been watching the Hawks since the mid 80’s….and I guess I’m not real impressed by Josh Smith. For the good he does, his negatives cancel out or overwhelm his positives. Players clash with coaches all the time, that’s just the nature of competition…but at this point, Josh needs to be improving all facets of his game, and if you’re honest about what he is…he hasn’t done that the last couple of years. Would he be receptive to a different coach…that’s a good question. I just wish Josh would really refine his game from what he is now into what he could be…the go to guy on this team….even moreso that JJ
by ronniemac03 on Jun 7, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what it might take to swing this for Atlanta
I certainly would love to have Rondo at this point, but they want to package him with Ray Allen, and that’s a couple of big contracts. So you’re talking about maybe sending out JJ and Josh Smith. They probably wouldn’t want Josh Smith since they have KG and Perkins in the front court, but who knows?
At this point, I bet this all a bunch of hot air. You don’t move a young PG that’s gone from mediocre to one of the best young stars of the league inside of two seasons just because he’s “moody.”
by Bronn on Jun 6, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree that it's Probably Hot Air
I agree that it’s hot air. Futhermore, to take on Ray Allen and his contract is bad. To let Josh a guy that will be a All-Star within the next 3 years go would be bad and to let Joe an established All-Star go would be bad. We basically would be giving up 1 All-Star and a future All-Star for 1 potential All-Star and a former All-Star at the end of his career. No way. Marvin for Rondo straight up, maybe through Acie in there if we can get there 1st rd pick or Bill Walker and that’s it. Take it or leave it.
by Hawks-Semi Fan on Jun 7, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo is Soft
Rondo is way too soft to help the already super sensitive Hawks roster. NOOOOOOOO way on this deal. The Hawks need to resign Bibby and find even more leadership!
by realdreamcards on Jun 8, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rondo....hhmmm
On the surface that’s not a bad idea. I like what I have seen from Rondo. He is quick and likes to drive to the basket (we have enough jump shooters). But who do we give up? I coldn’t be the GM
I am totally sold on Marvin Williams, but at the same time he has the most value of guys we could trade. I think teams would like his defense, athletic ability, and his new jump shot and his attitude. But If we give him up for a Rondo we lose a shooter. Then if he starts over Bibby then Joe is the only shooter on the court……….second thought NO on RONDO
by Cmart34 on Jun 8, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Please
This team will stay stagnant with this same bad mix until Joe walks. The fans are even blinded and content. Lose a shooter! Who cares, go get Jason Kapono, draft Wayne Ellington, or Marcus Thorton, or Chase Budinger, who I dont really care for, but the point is you can find shooters that are a lot better than Marvin. You will not find another point guard from the draft or even free agency with the value of Rondo. A lot of the fans around here deserve to be lied to and told we are making progress or baby steps for the next million years.
by Hawks-Semi Fan on Jun 8, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly. The point and the post are the two most important positions in the NBA, and are the hardest to find either in the draft or in FA. I think Horford is the first building block…maybe the only real one ATL has. You can find a 2 guard will not that much effort…but when a emerging young point guard (potentially, for my post is probably all rumors, and the Rondo quotes are from mid February and after game two of the Bulls series), you have to take a chance. The Hawks in their current form have hit their ceiling. Woodson will get next year to disprove that theory, but more than likely he won’t, and taking on Ray Allen’s contract for a year (and having cap space in 2010) is worth the price to get Rondo and set up for the future. Given a choice, I’d trade Marvin…but Marvin may not be enough to get it done.
by ronniemac03 on Jun 9, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No way
Why not get Iverson. That would give us a decent point who could give us points. Wheel and deal. Bring in Thabeet. Add Joe, Josh, Al. Wow. If i was g.m. I probably would get fired.
by pistolero on Jun 9, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No Flippin' Way
Rondo is a good player, and no doubt he would add a dynamic element to the team. But let’s remember that he plays alongside three superstars, which can tend to make a player look better than reality. The Hawks would give up too much to land Rondo. If we lose JJ, get RR, and think we made a lateral move, we will be sadly mistaken.
Let's push this bird out of the nest.
by Yes I Am A Hawks Fan on Jun 22, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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