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The State of the Hawks Center

Many people do not think Al Horford should be the long term answer at center for the Atlanta Hawks. And in almost anyone's estimation, Zaza Pachulia would be an excellent long term solution for the back up center role. It is an odd situation to be in. Zaza has set the example for what Hawks fans desire for a backup without there being any consensus on what the starter should look like.

In his first two years, Al Horford has been a serviceable center. He rebounds well, defends admirably, and can score efficiently, but he does none of these three things at an elite level. It is tough to contend that those shortcomings are simply the facts, the reality of Horford's ceiling as a center in the is league. Considering his usage rat, youth, and the Hawks inability to play a style that benefits him, many variable that would seemingly improve Al as a player have yet to be tested. What if he received 12-15 shots a game, what if the Hawks play more up tempo, what if Al improves that 12 foot jumper as much from year two to year three as he did from year one to year two? These are questions we do not have answers to but the more likely outcome would seem to be a better Al Horford.

It leaves the Hawks with three scenarios. Move Al to power forward, accept Horford ceiling as an about average center, or switch up the variables.

Moving Al to power forward

I say move Al to power forward with the firm belief that would mean trading Josh Smith. The Inspector does not have the shooting range or lateral quickness to stay with small forwards in this league. And with the leadership, worth ethic, and desire to get better Al Horford displays on a nightly basis, it would be tough to draw a line in the sand between building around Al or Josh and choose Josh. The sentence you would have to finish is "we are moving Al Horford to power forward because _____." The answers I come up with for that word problem do not rationalize the roster overall and risk that would occur.

He is who we thought he was

Even in this system, with this amount of touches, and this role, Al Horford is going to get better. He will learn the nuances of rebounding, knock down that jumper, slightly improve his post game. Big Al's attitude and desire to win alone will push him to be a better player. So you ask, knowing slight improvement is ahead, which center in the league do you want more than Horford? Howard or course. I could go with Nene. Shaq maybe. Andrew Bynum probably (but with that contract and injuries?). That is about it. I don't want Amare at the five or old man Big Z or Samuel Dalembert or even creaky knees Greg Oden. Chris Kaman? Really. The grass just isn't always greener. Horford right now is in the better half of centers in the league, and whatever his ideal position should not factor into that truth. I think it is tough to argue for a massive change in offensive scheme or a switch in position because we are worried Al Horford is going to get destroyed by Dwight Howard. Everyone gets destroyed by Dwight Howard.

Changing the vision

Hoopinion has named it. Sekou Smith has clamored for it to change. And in this cross roads off season it must be mentioned. Mike Woodson runs an offense that caters almost completely to the back court. If the offense worked for anyone, it was Joe, Bibby, and Flip. Bibby could spot of three, Joe could shoot in bunches, and Flip had the freedom to do what he wanted (which of course was shoot). With two of those guys unrestricted free agents and the third becoming so next summer, is it time to start catering to the front court? Both Josh and Al thrive in the up tempo. Josh and to some extent Al become more focused, active players when they are involved offensively. And they are young possible cornerstones for this organization.

In 2011, Al Horford is going to have plenty of offers from other teams. If nothing changes, they are going to see a leader who is averaging 13 points and 10 rebounds and have no reservations faxing an offer sheet. If the Hawks really have no desire to move Al Horford to power forward or trade him, they are either saying they plan to invest handsomely in the long-term future of Al Horford or that they plan to lose him for nothing. Seeing as how the former seems to be the only option, now may be the time to transition this Hawks team toward one where Al Horford the center can truly thrive.

The backup

Zaza Pachulia is going to have a lot of interest from other teams. Most of that will come from teams looking for a quality backup. Unless a team throws starting money and time at Zaza, I think the Hawks sit in good position to resign him.

If they don't, this is not a "well, shoot we missed him. oh well" sort of situation. The Hawks need a backup. And no Solomon Jones is not the correct answer. They need a guy who can come in and play 15-20 minutes a night. I love Zaza, but Marcin Gortat would not be a bad consolation prize. With the Magics run to the finals, they almost certainly will want to keep their core in tact which means resigning Hedo Turkoglu to a pretty big deal. That will make it very tough to resign if the Hawks put in a market value offer.

And if the Hawks draft BJ Mullens with the idea that he will back up Horford, I will simply cry.

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The person that makes sense to move in a trade is Smoove. Everyone wants to talk about his talent, and potential…..but Horford and Marvin are better shooters…..Smoove doesn’t like to rebound because he wanst to be out on the break for the dunk. He gets beat on D a lot …..but his jumping ability and length make up for it. I wish we could move him to the bench but that’s not happening. Marvin is more productive, and he can defend. Horford will take and make the short jumper, you don’t see him camping out by the three point line, and he has a decent jump hook.
But I doubt that Smoove is going anywhere. We are going to have the same starting line up when the season kicks off. Now the bench will/should look different. What are the plans for Solo, Hunter, and Morris. Drop two of them and add Mikki Moore please….

by Cmart34 on Jun 4, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree. Sell high on Josh to either get an established big man or point guard or improve draft position to draft one or the other. Josh is a talented player but it’s not clear he will ever get his head on straight enough to take the next step to becoming an All Star. Trading him, re-signing Marvin, and moving Al to PF is the way to go. Or sign somebody like Ron Artest and keep Al at center. There are lots of options.

by redwards95 on Jun 5, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hortford not a Center in this System

As I have stated before. Hortford is not a center in this current situation. Hortford thrived at Florida because he could be the Center without receiving the attention that a big time center usually receives. What I mean by that is Noah is taller than Hortford and was listed as the Center and because of the hype that Noah received he was more of a focal point for opponents than Hortford. My conclusion is that Hortford needs to play with another legit big man where he can be the tough guy “Center Type” without the attention. That’s why I continue to call for a trade for Bosh or Stoudemire.

Finally, Josh Smooth was our best player in the playoffs this year and he had some great home games last year against the Celtics. Where has Marvin been on the big stage? Nowhere to be found. Add to that the fact that Josh is born and raised in Atlanta. I think its a joke that people call for a trade of Josh.

by Hawks-Semi Fan on Jun 4, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Marvin was injured for much of this year’s playoffs, so it’s not exactly fair to compare his performance to Josh’s. And there were plenty of games against Miami that Josh didn’t show up for. What was his excuse?

by redwards95 on Jun 5, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marvin in 2 years

Has not had one 20+ performance in the playoffs.

by Hawks-Semi Fan on Jun 5, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know there is a local appeal

Yes but…….. its time to make his mark either he will be a star or he will be a role player. From his draft class in 2004: Dwight Howard, Ben Gordon, Iguodala, Jameer Nelson, Okafor, JR Smith, Deven Harris, Kevin Martin. All of these guys have raised their game to NBA level, and defined their games. Smith has had great games, and made progress from year to year. But he is still making poor decisions with the ball, he gets out of scoring position on offense, and he doesn’t commit to rebounding. When he’s on the court teams just have to keep him away from the rim, and a lot of times he does it for them. Marvin and Josh’s stats are real similar. But Marvin is a better FT shooter and way better 3pt shooter. I’m not sying trade Josh I know his value…but don’t trade Marvin either. Because Marvin is has improved every year, a noticeable improvement. Smoove has reached a point and seems like he has just stayed there for two seasons.

by Cmart34 on Jun 5, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

there are some things I think we are just going to have to live with when it comes to Josh

he is never going to make great decisions all the time. in fact, he will probably throw in a bone headed one just about every game. But the way he is improving and the athleticism he already possesses gives me hope that he could be an all-star with the right mental discipline and coach discipline.

as far as trading him, the only reason I see the need to even talk about trading Horford or Josh is if you demand they both play power forward. I can’t see Josh guarding small forwards in this league with any real consistency.

But i have no problem with an up tempo Horford/Smith front line so am not stressing about who to trade.

Also, i agree on the home town thing. you got more horford and joe jerseys at phillips than Josh.

by hawksdawgs on Jun 5, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think uptempo is Woody's style

We are built to play uptempo b-ball, but it seems Woody doesn’t want to commit to it. But that’s our roster. I would like to see uptempo, quick shots, and pick n roll with Josh or Horford and Bibby. Drive and then Josh /Horford finishes it or kicks out to Joe/Marvin/Evans/Flip or if they finish at the rim our center crashes for a rebound while Joe or Marvin get back on D to stop the fast break or steal outlet pass…………..We do it sometimes and it always works…….but then we get stale and the only pick being set is from Zaza… who honestly doesn’t finish well in traffic or make the pass

by Cmart34 on Jun 5, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Theres a 7ft 4 Yugo Center Available in Draft, Also Drew Gooden at PF is an Option, Zydunas Ilglases made it was reported $10,841 615 an unrestricted F/A But Zacha is good.

Horford has exceeded expectations as has Pachula. Last three years standout for 7 ft up players but, others are availkable, I personally don’t see Ohio State 7"0 ft center helping the Hawks the first year, however he may have potential but I prefer 7 ft 4 Player at 2nd round choice if it takes it.

by Jeff Gibson on Jun 11, 2009 6:11 AM EDT reply actions  

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