Three links of optimism?
by hawksdawgs on Jun 29, 2009 8:25 PM EDT
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1. The Bucks did not tender an offer to Charlie Villanueva making him an unrestricted free agent. The final, team option year was worth 4.6 million. Villanueva averaged 16.2 points 6.7 rebounds, and consistently great tweeting last season in only 27 minutes.
The Cavs appear to be a serious contender and they have around 5.6 million to spend. Would the Hawks outbid that? Is it worth it? Could they still sign Zaza, Marvin, and/or Bibby? All good questions. But the dude can score, would add size, and just got a whole lot easier to sign.
And for those with the Ramon Sessions crush, don't let the Bucks tendered offer sadden you. Milwaukee is not looking to spend money and the qualifying offer for Sessions was only a little over a million dollars. The team had nothing to lose giving him that QO since he is going to make more than it anyway. Sessions could still easily be stolen.
*****Update*****
The Bucks may not have offered Charlie the QO because he could have ended up accepting the qualifying offer leaving the Bucks unable to match an offer for sessions. So Sessions is probably not an option. Charlie V. is. So....one and half links of optimism?
2. TrueHoop had a short post today reminding me that with the hand checking rules the NBA first implemented in 2001 a lightening quick first step is one of the best offensive moves in the game. To the point where it can be down right unstoppable. Jeff Teague has a lightening quick first step, and he can also finish.
Teague is entering the NBA as a rookie point guard. For most rookie point guards and the fans who root them on, that is not a comforting sentence. But in this case, the NBA is going to be a welcome boost to Jeff's game over his college experience.
3. Jamal Crawford is ecstatic to be a Hawk. And Mike Woodson is almost as happy. Because you as coach says,
"I never try to take anything away from a player that's his strength. In that regard, there are a lot of things I can do with him on the basketball court offensively."
Somewhere Marvin Williams, Al Horford, and Josh Smith are finding walls to introduce their heads to.
Like I said....two links of optimism.
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Villanueva is
a lovely offensive player, a real gem. Unfortunately he is also one of the absolute worst defenders in the league, and that is why they are letting him walk versus the less obviously valuable Sessions. The Bucks gave up 5.5 more ppg with Villanueva in the lineup in 2007-08 per John Hollinger.
no disagreement on defense
but i think he was let go because of money. tender and offer and that is 4.6 million they were going to have against their cap and they have 62.5 million already committed for next year.
for the mid level, i think an offensive guy that skilled can score inside and out is worth a look at the midlevel (which is all the Cavs have to offer)
plus defense is clearly not as big an interest to sund as it is to woodson (crawford, teague, flip…)
the other thing about him is he’s a PF that isn’t a good three point shooter but shoots them anyway, we need another one of those like a hole in our heads
by thirdfALCON on Jun 29, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i guess it's not that bad
I may be biased as something about him always rubbed me the wrong way. Still though .327, should he really be shooting 3 a game in 27 minutes?
by thirdfALCON on Jun 29, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s certainly yet another ball hog. Good grief, if we got him Al Horford really would not get to shoot ever again.
I was thinking about Horford and David Lee Today
And I thought They would make a great team, but then I thought Horford would defer to the “Gatorfather”, and it would hurt his game.
Then I thought it would make me physically ill to have someone named the “Gatorfather” on our team, so now I don’t want him
by thirdfALCON on Jun 29, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Hollinger, Hollinger, Hollinger
Just watch the games and you can see Charlie has never been a defensive player, not even at UConn. I would make him an offer though. Marvin Williams tenure is 7 mill +. I would either offer Charlie 5.5 mill or offer Marquis Daniels about 3.5 to 4 mill and trade Mo Evans for a down-right knockdown shooter type.
by Hawks-Semi Fan on Jun 29, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah i really don’t want Charlie, unless it’s as a back-up. and I doubt we can get him for that,
btw Hawks-semi fan, are you a semi hawks fan, or a fan of the Hawks and semi-trucks?
you would certainly need both
and by the way, i am stealing all this from sekou smith.
but having zaza, horford, josh, horford front line would be a serious upgrade. esp. if you can get it for 10-11 million for both guys.
wow
if we could get two horfords in the sme lineup, we should be a low-post scoring team! haha
"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments
That was classic Woody lmao
I was just thinking he would be an upgrade over Greasy’s role, but then we wouldn’t have a guy named Greasy on our team, so it’s a pretty tough call imo
BTW
Acie Law supposedly had a “lightning-quick” first step too, and all it got him was a seat on the bench. And our coach is saying Teague is “a real point guard” when everyone else seems to think he isn’t.
Teague’s scouting reports are eerily similar to Acie’s two years ago. Does anyone know for sure if they weren’t separated at birth, and why did we draft a carbon copy of a player we didn’t use, again?
Most definitely.
And the eye-twitch, I have that too. I guess I am probably as obsessive as Hawks GMs who say “forward forward forward” or “combo guard combo guard combo guard” over and over to themselves for years on end…
NO
knight drafted acie law… and acie law has NO WHERE NEAR the athleticism as teague.. teague is FAST and CAN JUMP acie could never jump… seriously… teagues upside is so much more than acies… i was unsure about acie.. but i have HIGH hopes for teague…
Maybe so,
but no GM ever drafts players without the coach’s consent. Come on—that would be so dictatorial as to result in one or the other quitting or getting fired. It’ the GM’s job, to be sure, but they don’t run around acting like Isaiah Thomas/Larry Brown and get a next gig to tell about it.
Woody had input and/or consent, to be sure.
Uh
I never try to take anything away from a player that’s his strength. In that regard, there are a lot of things I can do with him on the basketball court offensively.
So… Woody thinks Josh’s strength is 3 point shooting then? That would explain a lot…
I swear
I think Woody hangs around all those downtown contruction projects too much because he sounds like he has been breathing toxic fumes when he talks. He makes no damned sense whatsoever. His actions prove his words to be lies.
"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments
Kill Me
U guys kill me with the Woody bashing. 2 playoff appearances in a row and steady progression and if you read the net he is the worst thing to ever happen to this team.
So
You take no issue when he makes comments like these?
"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments
Not really it's just coach speak
What he says to the media is just him trying to tell them as little information as possible. It’s not in his best interest to say anything real.
Here look at the quote
“I never try to take anything away from a player that’s his strength. In that regard, there are a lot of things I can do with him on the basketball court offensively.”
He just said two sentences and we learned nothing. No coach tries to take away from a players strength, and theres alot of ways you can use any basketball player. No one can read anything into that quote and gain any insight into how the team will work next year,
However you can be phsychotic and imagine him saying “BWHAHAHAH!, i don’t ever have to let a popular big shoot the ball again, soon my goal to piss of the Hawks blogosphere will be complete, MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!”
Ri-ight
He says he “…never takes anything away from a player that’s his strength..”, yet he never plays to any players strengths. The team is built for a fast-paced game, yet he plays iso-joe all the time. We have one of the most athletically gifted players in the league playing our 4, yet he constantly gets played out on the wing like he’s a three jacking up ill-advised lond distance shots he has no business taking.
If you are saying that Woodson doesn’t believe the things he says, that he is simply trying to give the media nothing, then I guess that’s just your opinion. I, however, find it hard to believe that over the last five years that’s what he has been doing. My above opinion is based on more than just this one comment. It’s based on the countless comments from Woodson over the years, all the things he says he does but oddly never actually occur on the court. It is of my opinion that he actually believes the things he says.
Frankly I don’t see how that’s being psychotic at all. If anything is on that level, it’s being a Woodson apologist.
"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments
All choaches do this
So do all politicians, CEOs, and anybody else that’s a public figure. I think your emo because your team doesn’t operate like the phoenix suns. No coach profits from giving you insight into their thinking process.
Saying the team is built for a fast paced game is highly debatable. We have some players who would do well in that system, and Smith seems like he was made by god for it. And he would be better driving in the open court 10 times a game than shooting threes. However you can’t blame all of Smith’s thee point shots on Woodson. It’s well known that Smith and Woodson have had many run-ins and their relationship is bad. Why do you think it is? Could it be that Woodson doesn’t want him on the perimeter, and wants him to stop taking so many outside shots? Of course not! That would mean something isn’t Woodson’s fault!
But aside from Smith and Horford is there anyone else on the team that would play better in such a system? And do we have a point guard capable of running such a system?
Joe, and Bibby, and now Jamaal Crawford (the strongest offensive players on the team btw). are all better off in the halfcourt. Marvin Williams is certainly athletic enough to play in a Pheonix style system, but is he really quicker than the average 3? And Horford is definately faster than most centers, but seems capable of player in the half-court too.
So one player that would be much better off in a fast paced style offense, 2 that are debatable, and 2 that are not. And the 2 that aren’t are the best players.
So which is it? is he teaching an offense that’s suited to the players he has (players that he is not responsible for aquiring)? Or are you spending way to much time trying to squeeze water out of a dry rag?
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