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Denver Nuggets 110 Atlanta Hawks 109 or where my spirit is crushed but my soul is inspired

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Maybe I a not as bad a fan as I thought. Certainly that game was hurtful, someone did tweet this moments after the game

Somebody get @peachtreehoops a cold wash cloth, a bottle of grey goose, and take away all of the sharp objects in the room.

Still, amidst my crushed emotions, I was actually, pleasantly calm. The Hawks tried last night, and then they were bullied and the Hawks tried some more. When was the last time that happened? It was refreshing.

Mike Woodson

Woody actually was not horrible last night. To an outsider, that seems an odd thing to have say about a coach. To an insider, that is just a depressing thing to have to say.

His decision to press the Nuggets worked. Although I would contend, the Hawks so obviously made an adjustment because it was so out of the team's norm. In most NBA games, that move is called coaching. For the Hawks, it is a divine act of God.

I also loved Mario West in there. He played two minutes too long, and those two minutes were highly detrimental, but hey Mike, from you, I will take a good move turned bad any day.

The sub rotation was still borderline horrible. After blazing hot 1st quarters, Marvin go the Horford treatment with two fouls and Horford just did not play. I assume Woody forgot he was on the team.  Zaza only received 22 minutes. Neither My memory nor his stat line can find a good reason for that. But when Woody finally realized in the fourth quarter that Marvin had the hot hand, the coach went back to him and that made me happy. 

So to Mike Woodson, where you did not obviously lose this game for us. Cheers.

Where I gush over Marvin Williams

For the first time I can remember, Marvin looked like a veteran out there. He was impressive. That was a number one option kind of performer. He was cagey, fluid, hit jumpers, and free throws. I am weeping tears of joy as I type this....

The fourth quarter Joe Johnson returns

Sure it took some adjusting on the double team, but Joe deferred to his teammates that were playing well for most of the game, and when he was single covered in the fourth, he scored...at will. That was the quietest 26 point 8 assist night you will see. That was the Joe "freakin" Johnson that has been missing.

Predictions gone wrong

So in my keys to the game I said that the Hawks should make Melo a jump shooter. At that time, I was unaware he was going to make all of them. (A quick side note. I love Mario West, but no matter how hard he tries, he cannot guard Anthony. Melo is taller. It's science.)

Also, my long held belief that if Al Horford puts up 12 or more shots the Hawks win. He went 10-17 last night. So I hope you pardon the fact that I still contend this stat is a good thing.

Josh Smith

Josh Smith is one of the Hawks best players. I would never say the Hawks are better without him. But the question has already been raised here this morning so i figure I will throw my thoughts out to exactly no one that is waited with baited breath. 

Last night, Chauncey's 46 free throws were a result, in part, of Josh Smith being out (and maybe a few trigger happy refs). Don't think for a  minute Bibby was going to guard Billups better than Flip. It was just that last night the Hawks had to keep Chauncey in front because no one could protect the rim. Clearly, Billups took this to mean "I will dribble until a ref blows the whistle."

Still, Smith is not playing well. When your power forward sits out and it appears the rebounding effort improves, that is not good. Also, years were saved on my life as the Hawks hit free throw after free throw.Team effort was up. More people were involved in the offense. I do not put all this at the feet of Smith, but some serious questions need to be asked.

Final thoughts

Thank the good Lord this road trip is over.

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Mario West's mere presence on the roster

is an embarrassment to the franchise. To hand him meaningful minutes is madness.

by Hoopinion on Feb 26, 2009 10:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

four minutes too long then?

I agree. he has no offensive skills. he should not be on the team.

but those first two minutes he was in provided energy and rebounding. I am not saying he should play more than two minutes, but i don’t think he is quite as terrible as you say.

i have a feeling you will not agree though.

by hawksdawgs on Feb 26, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There's no doubt he's doing everything he can.

I don’t fault him in any way for being who he is or think anything so foolish as he should recuse himself from the roster for the good of the organization.

But even assuming he must be on the active roster, I cannot fathom how the time and place to use him for an extended stretch is at power forward (or pushing Mo Evans to power forward, same difference) offensively and guarding Chauncey Billups defensively in a competitive road game on a night when you’re missing two starters.

Mike Woodson chose to play Mario West for almost seven straight minutes rather than either Marvin Williams or Al Horford. I’ve been very complimentary of Woodson’s success this year but that decision alone last night is grounds for questioning his fitness to coach this team.

by Hoopinion on Feb 26, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree with your logic.

West is an embarrassment to the franchise? Because I guess Speedy represents what the Hawks are all about right? Or maybe Woodson’s flawless coaching is more your cup of franchise tea? Our ownership group must really set the bar on how to run a successful NBA franchise then in your eyes.

I think your anger is largely misplaced. In your post at Hoopinion you rightly state that he has little to no offensive capacity, but you also attribute issues about his performance last night that he has no control over as negatives. Who he gets substituted in for is a coaching issue. The position he is assigned to play is a coaching issue. How long he stays in is a coaching issue. Even now you are stating that it was Woody’s decision for him to play that position for that long, yet West is the one you claim to be the embarrassment. And if you don’t fault him for being all that he can be within his limitations or remove himself from the roster, then why post your first comment at all? Was it a simple fit of rage or act of frustration? If so, then that action alone puts you in the same embarrassing category as Josh Smith’s nightly antics with the refs and his flagrant-2 ejection from the other night. In that vein, wouldn’t Josh Smith be a more embarrassing player to have representing our franchise than West?

And your statement about his minutes as a senior at GT is weak at best as he was not a starter, but yet was the number one bench player in % of minutes played at 46, barely under your 50 line in the sand, which is meaningless in and of its self. I’m sure I could find plenty of starters who played more than 50% of their teams’ minutes and yet contribute almost nothing offensively as well as find plenty who average 25% of the teams’ minutes and contribute greatly. If he had say less than 10%, I would see your point, but coming off the bench and averaging a scratch under the starters in minutes does not mean that he is not valuable to the team.

The other problem I have with that argument is that you are, in principle, saying that you believe minutes played is a determining factor in offensive ability and that minutes played in college equates to NBA skill. I’ve been following you for a few years now Bret and I have to say this is not common for you. Top college players do not always transition well to the NBA game and sometimes it’s the guys you don’t hear about in college that end up doing well in the pros.
 
Every team will have these kinds of guys on the roster. You can call them glue-guys or role players, or whatever, but they all have someone like West, a player they can call in at any point in the game and know he’s going to bring an intense amount of energy to help pump the team up. Sometimes that player only has one good skill set, maybe he’s a lock-down defender. Think about that article you linked a while back regarding Shane Battier, Houston surely doesn’t play him for his offensive might. In fact you might want to go read that article again.

Basically, my point to you is that having West on the Hawks roster is not a detriment to the team as you seem to think and he is the furthest thing from an embarrassment to this franchise. If his lack of offensive ability is the only thing you can muster as a trait for being such an embarrassment, then what about Speedy Claxton or Solomon Jones. If you are mad at Woody, then be mad at Woody, no one will argue with that. West is a great person who does great things in the community and is living the American dream by doing what he loves to do without ever having any form of handout like so many others in this sport.

Nothing personal. Keep up the good work over at Hoopinion, but do you think you can add a Name/URL identity option so people without OpenID and Google/Blogger can comment, or was that the intent?

by Jesse28 on Feb 26, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

on that point we can fully agree

i am all for questioning Woodson’s fitness as a coach.

by hawksdawgs on Feb 26, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A Moment of Silence---

—-for the end of There Is No Fan of Mario West.com

by Jason Walker on Feb 26, 2009 5:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

haha, that's besides the point

Being a fan of the guy or not has nothing to do with it. I completely agree with the facts of the limited ability of Mario’s game. He doesn’t have much of anything for an offensive repertoire and I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s a lock-down defensive player either. But claiming that he is an embarrassment to the franchise goes way beyond normal player skill critique in my opinion. To the best of my knowledge the guy has never shot anyone at a club, beat strippers, been arrested for drunk driving, or attacked anyone in the stands. And frankly, all of the issues listed were a direct reflection of the coaching, not Mario’s play.

by Jesse28 on Feb 26, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There could be a long list---

—-of players that never saw the light of an NBA arena again after the Hawks let them go—-My main man Cal Bowdler is the leader of that band—-Ed Gray, Donta Smith, and Salim Stoudamire aren’t far behind——West won’t likely see any roster after this—-any bets on Solomon Jones?

by Jason Walker on Feb 26, 2009 11:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

at least salim, solomon, donta and west were second round pics or fa

first round picks ed gray and bowdler on the other hand make the marvin williams pick look like a stroke of genius.

by hawksdawgs on Feb 27, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why in the world did Joe pass on that last shot?

by The Beard on Feb 27, 2009 1:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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