Hawks 105 Kings 100 or where Shelden Williams is the real winner

by hawksdawgs on Feb 19, 2009 10:08 AM EST in Game Recaps Comment 12 comments

Sekou Blog (which I don't entirely agree with)

I am glad Mike Bibby likes that building. Over and above, the Hawks lack of effort in the second quarter, Mike Woodson's idiotic foul maintenance of Josh Smith, Joe's off ~~night~~ month, Bibby played well. I am in debt to that man because, with a loss, walls would have been punched, hands would have been broken, unanswered questions would have been asked, Shelden may or may not have smiled. So thank you Mike, except for the Shelden part. I would have liked to see that. His smile makes me smile.

Horford gets 12 shots. Hawks win. I have mentioned that correlation before.

Yea, Horford's performance was Moses Malone-esque. But he still got his twelve shots, and personally, I don't care. Feed him the ball until he proves he can't do it. And by prove he can't do it, I mean repeatedly proves he can't do it because all four other starters have proved at one time or another they cannot do it and it has never stopped Woodson from calling plays for them. Anyway, Coco agrees. And that is good enough for me.

Mike Woodson: the end game coach

On this lack of feeding the post, Woodson's offense consists almost exclusively of sets that you would run at the end of the game. The Hawks basically play sixty 24 second games. Isolation, drive and kick, dribble to run down the clock and shoot. During the retrospective highlights of Mike Bibby in Sacramento, I saw Bibby make a cut to the basket for an easy layup. When is the last time Bibby cut to basket? When is the last time anyone cut to the basket? You just don't have time for backdoor cuts at the end of the game.

But seriously, can we run an actual offense please?

HDCS

Finally congratulation to the Bronn/Hawksdawgs 1^st annual 2006 Hawks draft class showdown (known on the streets as HDCS) winner Shelden Williams. He beat out Solomon Jones not so much by performing well but more by not performing as badly. And that seems more than fitting.

Five million a year and this? Best. Husband. Ever.

I was frustrated by the win last night, but certainly it did not keep me up at night. The teams below the Hawks in the standings lost, and this is a survival, not a style, road trip. Win one out of three to close and head back to Atlanta.

Go Hawks!

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hate to say it Joe, but......

I think Hawks fans need to face the fact that Joe Johnson is NOT an NBA superstar. I love Joe on the team and he’s certainly a very VERY good player, but I’m starting to believe that he is simply not an elite player. Ater watching last nights game combined with the evidence of the last month or so, here’s how I back up that statement:

the Kings are a terrible team that plays terrible defense. Joe can’t take over when we need him to against a bad team. If his Shot doesn’t go down, he doesn’t have the ability to get to the line consistantly like a superstar. (and when he does, I don’t trust him to make both) Kevin Martin, on the other hand, had his way with a solid playoff team built on defense.

Don’t get me wrong. We can not win without Joe and I think he is a great representative for the NBA, but I don’t believe that with Joe as our best player, we will become an elite team such as Orlando. Just my thought for the day. I’m sure I’ll be back during the playoffs saying “Pay Joe the Max!!!”

by marvin's ladies of the night on Feb 19, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Brett is that you???

Hahah. Joe has not played well over the past month and a half and that has to change. As far as Kevin Martin I was disgusted with the way the officials were treating him. I mean come on you can’t touch Kevin Martin?? Really? Really? There is no excuse for any player shooting that many free throws let alone Kevin Martin. He is a very good player, but to give him superstar calls is just …….wrong. And Joe’s inability to get to the free throw line is not all his fault. The officials don’t give him the Kevin Martin treatment which kinda supports your theory that he’s not a superstar I guess. I like Joe the player a lot. Plus it’s not like Superstar caliber players are busting the Atlanta Spirit’s doors down. Hell, we aren’t even sure who owns the team. Until there is some stability in this organization a Joe Johnson talent is the best we can hope for. When he’s not slumping he’s pretty good so I’ll take it.

by Co Co on Feb 19, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

also i agree about the calls

joe needs to lose 45 pounds so contact will knock him around and he can get more calls. those hand checking rules don’t apply to people who weigh more than 220 and are not named LeBron.

by hawksdawgs on Feb 19, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i am a bit in the middle here

i think Joe is really good, i don’t think he is a superstar and I do think he is the best the hawks could, maybe can, get here.

He is the clear best player and number one option on the team.

The problem is that he is not doing things that normal players are asked to do. asking a player to get his teammates involved and not take bad shots is not a request reserved for superstars.

that being said, you can’t blame joe johnson completely when mike woodson calls out the offensive play.

by hawksdawgs on Feb 19, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

clarification

Maybe I should clarify this. I DON’T think Kevin Martin is a superstar. Thats why its frustrating to see someone like a Kevin Martin constantly getting to the line while Joe struggles to get there and stuggles when he does shoot from the stripe. Joe is without a doubt our best player, but I believe he’s the best player on a roster that still has no identity. Are they defensive? Offensive? Run and Gun? What are they trying to do?? Maybe if we knew what the heck our MO was, Joe and cast could be more consistant

by marvin's ladies of the night on Feb 19, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

BTW on Sheldon

How bad did he look last night?? That guy should have been undrafted and we take him in the top 10. That should honestly go as one of the worst picks of all time. I’m not trying to exagerate. Any bad pick, Sheldon can rival

by marvin's ladies of the night on Feb 19, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

It’s nice that they pulled this one out, but it doesn’t make me feel great about this team. Despite their record, they are indeed VERY frustrating to watch. Why the hell are we not dominating teams that we are supposed to be better than. When is the last time we blew somebody out?

I’m starting to agree that Joe Johnson is not a superstar. I think he is a great player who is being asked to go way beyond what he is capable of. You could say that most of that comes from the offensive schemes from Woodson, but I don’t really know. Does Woodson have no trust in anybody but Joe and Bibby? It frustrates me so much to see Joe get double teamed and still take an impossible jump shot. Marvin has progressed this year, why don’t we involve him more offensively? And btw, if I see Josh Smith put up another ugly ass jump shot with 12 seconds left on the shot clock, I am going to lose it. But hey, at least he is a great free throw shooter.

A lot of our problems come from this offensive scheme, whatever the hell it is supposed to be. We have too many guys shooting jump shots who shouldn’t be. And when those shots don’t go in, we don’t seem to drive to the basket. I like Bibby, but I think this is where Acie can really make a difference. He likes to drive the ball and is the kind of guy we need when those jump shots are going cold.

by atlantasports...LOL! on Feb 19, 2009 2:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

welcome to peachtree hoops atlantasports

i feel like we are long lost friends after reading just your first post.

by hawksdawgs on Feb 19, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I should also mention that Woodson should be fired immediately.

by atlantasports...LOL! on Feb 19, 2009 4:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ha!

Now we are long lost friends!

Also, I agree completely with your statement on Acie. He is exactly the kind of PG teams look for; drive to the basket, dish to open players, fight through screens, etc., but he obviously is not the kind of PG Woody wants. Going into next year he should be the starting PG for this team and for our future, but Woodson is so damned intent on halting all progress of our draft picks that we might be looking at Flip as our starting PG next year if we don’t resign Bibby.

by Jesse28 on Feb 20, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Also, off topic sorta

But you put it in the post so, someone please explain to me how Sheldon ends up with Cadace Parker? I seriously question her taste in men now, although I admittedly would never hold anything against her. As for your caption, I think you should change it to “Luckiest dude ever”.

by Jesse28 on Feb 20, 2009 9:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs