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New York Knicks 114, Atlanta Hawks 107 or where the Hawks prove reason has no place in the NBA

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Watching this game on delay was miserable. It completely negated any pleasure of the terrific start by the Hawks or the solid third quarter effort. And they were great. Up to Josh Smith's jump shot six minutes in, Atlanta really could not have played better on offense in the first. Unfortunately, they figured the Knicks would keep missing shots which made close outs optional, fighting through screens an afterthought, and contested shots in the paint a maybe. And the Hawks played a legitimately inspired third quarter which just goes to show how horrible they were the rest of the game.

There really was no effort tonight. There were some mirages but don't be fooled, the Hawks made sure they ruined all good will they saved up from the Toronto game. It might have been fully embodied in the second quarter after a jump shot miss by the Knicks, and resident hustle Zaza Pachulia just stared the ball down as it took three dribbles seemingly out of bounds. That is until Al Harrington actually tried and ran it down, settled, and nailed a three pointer as Marvin and Zaza stood, apparently unable to move but conveniently right under the basket for easy retrieval of the make. To thwart that lack of effort, Joe Johnson went down the floor, dribble around, and shot (and missed) a long two.

The script has now been written for the Hawks to lose. No ball movement. Lacking any hustle of defense. Become self-aware of lack of hustle and attempt to make up for it by shooting jump shots. It is sin on top of sin, and a lot of eating of one's own tail. I have titled it the "Vegas effort."

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On Josh Smith being idiot.

I really cannot say it any better than the Human Highlight Blog.

Then, explicably, Josh Smith began to be enamored with his second favorite basketball vice, the complaint. After making a tough shot with a slight bit of contact, he blew up at Bob Delaney, earning him a technical foul. The Hawks were so de-focused as a team that they allowed Smith to continue to unleash venom at Delaney to the point where his services were rendered disqualified for the rest of the night. So on a night where the Knicks were ramming the ball down the Hawks' throat offensively, Atlanta's strongest lane deterrent chose obscenities over participation. The other Hawks seemed amused by this, but THHB was not. Not by Smith's actions, nor his teammates inaction.

Josh Smith deserves a fine. The team deserves a wake up call.

Loser Dots

  • The Hawks started the game 3-5 from downtown. They finished 4-21. Vegas baby, Vegas.
  • And by the way if you get thrown out on a made basket, you are a fool. Period.
  • Zaza celebrates everything.
  • In the third quarter, Al Horford grabbed a board and started the break. Zaza ran the floor and Al could not get the ball to him because Zaza cannot jump. That play is two points with Josh on the floor. Atlanta came away with zero.
  • Joe Johnson still bad at fouling.
  • I guess the refs cannot call every travel by Zaza.
  • Not to let the Hawks off the hook, but they missed a lot of close shots/tip ins. A bit unlucky. Still, the Hawks played bad enough defense to make sure luck had nothing to do with it.
  • What is the expression? Absence makes the heart grow fonder? Something like that. Well, Josh Smith's absence really puts in perspective how much he protects the lane. He should make second team all-defense simply for his help D. Unfortunately, my heart is not fonder. Because Josh Smith is an idiot.
  • Al Horford never pouts. Games like this articulate the love affair so many have with him.
  • Mo Evans tried. That was nice.
  • Jeff Teague plays very little in another lose. Again, I am not saying Teague will help. I am not even saying he will develop into a solid rotational guy, but Woody is doing no favors for himself on the criticism front. When the Hawks are playing bad, Teague gets no time. When they are playing well, he does. At some point, it might be time to see if Teague can actually change the pace of a game since he has already solidified that he can keep the pace.
  • I can flawlessly guess correctly whether Marvin will make his shot as soon as he touches it. 
  • The fact that the Hawks took the lead going into the 4th and still lost....is depressing.
  • Following the three by the Knicks to tie the game, Joe dribbled around and took a contested jumper with nine seconds on the shot clock, missed, and Larry Hughes went back down and scored to take the lead. I don't care who you blame, but someone is to blame there (and it is not Al Horford). 
  • Are the Hawks trying to show they can win in a variety of different ways? Yea, the third quarter was great, but lets demonstrate we can beat the Knicks on jump shots and Joe Johnson in the fourth. It will be so creative! Well, let me tell you something, ambidextrous winning is overrated, especially when you lose trying to do it.
  • A little good news. At least Ken Sugiura got to use the word "gesticulating."

Go Hawks!

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Just came from the game...

 I got educational vouchers to go to the game(which was a blessing) so me and my girlfriend got all nice-looking for the game, got a decent parking place, ate some good food, saw the crazy gator fans, and proceeded to section 212. I don’t know if this was everywhere in Philips but it seemed like obnoxious knick fans were everywhere! Sitting with them and other crazy hawks fans amplified crazyness for the entire night.

So the hawks take an early lead, get complacent and let the knicks back in, we actually sat in the wrong section so we had to move, Josh Smith gets ejected, woodson decides to with a lineup without any bigs on the floor at all, knick fans get even more obnoxious when they get a 13 point lead, and the rest is history.

All in all it was a good night! Yeah sure. Its pretty obvious that without Josh Smith the hawks are mediocre at best in the paint. The knicks didn’t even play Nate Robinson or Danilo Gallinari and the hawks still couldn’t defend them. Is there a good reason that Joe Smith and Jeff Teague don’t get playing time when the first team is stinking it up?

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 5, 2009 1:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am running out of adjectives to describe this team

My only comment is that I’m tired of people talking about someone should have gotten Josh to calm down. That’s BS! It happened so fast, I didn’t even know what was going on. Josh has to be responsible for his own actions. He is a grown ass man. Now he just needs to act like one. Go Hawks!!

by dstdeelite on Dec 5, 2009 1:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Word of advice for Woody

Instead of going back and breaking down the tape of tonight’s game, turn to ESPN and catch a couple of highlights from the Lakers v Miami game and start there. Not only was I impressed with Kobe’s buzzer beating game winner, but the fact that Miami battled them until the final second. That was more impressive than anything. Have you noticed that the Hawks, rarely lose close ones? It’s either all or nothing with them. They need to visit the land of Oz. While they’re there, they need to pick up some heart and some damn courage. Stop acting like you’re second rate! Stop with the hat-in-hand routine! That shizz is old. Play with some damn conviction! Are you pretenders or contenders? I would hope contenders. Even still, I think that any team would be scared to meet this Hawks team in the playoffs. They’re just that explosive…..WHEN they play good basketball. Go Hawks!!

by dstdeelite on Dec 5, 2009 1:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No one played defense in this one

And I feel like that’s somewhere around 50% of the game.

by Bronn on Dec 5, 2009 2:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

WTF?

Why in the hell did Zaza only play 16 minutes? Since Josh was tossed he should have gotten around 30+ minutes in this game. Then Al would have actually been playing in his true position. Mike Woodson is such a b*tch. He is afraid to play anybody off the bench any significant minutes except for Jamal. We have a real deep bench this year and he still doesn’t use it like he should. So now we have 4 loses against NBA dwellers: Bobcats, Knicks, Pistons, Hornets. The knicks had 4 wins coming into tonight…. that is ridiculous. Loses like these will come back to bit us in the a** at the end of the year we we are a couple games out from winning the division.

by BravesFanScout on Dec 5, 2009 2:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

Our beloved Hawks seem to have an identity crisis. We can duke it out (at least sometimes), with the great teams in the league, yet get slapped around by teams like this (at home, i may add). I’ll admit, that badass 7 game win streak had me both spoiled and hopeful, but now it’s fading from me slowly, and painfully.

Come on Hawks!

by da fatchick thrilla on Dec 5, 2009 2:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actually

if pachulia had played some D he probably would have been out there more….maybe. I don’t know, Woodson decisions defy logic sometimes.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 5, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No duh we should use our bench more!

Jeff Teague only played ONE MINUTE!

In that one minute Jeff had a +/- rating of +4. I’m convinced that if Woody had played Teague the entire game, the Hawks would have won by a margin of at least 192.

by axhfan on Dec 5, 2009 3:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Can we start the Woodson firing watch yet? Should the Hawks punish Josh in any way? I was thinking make him come off the bench for tonight’s game.

by redwards95 on Dec 5, 2009 7:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

that wouldn't be good to sit josh

Him losing this game for his team is punishment enough. Dallas is no joke and the hawks have to have a short memory. As with firing Woodson….it might be close if the owners know anything about b-ball.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 5, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"or welcome back 2006 Hawks!"

Let’s see: we have far more talent, playing at home against a miserable team after several days rest, and we play down to the competition and forget defense, resulting in an inexplicable and frustrating loss. Yep! It’s all still too familiar.

I think we Hawks fans still have those open wounds from “the lost years” so any loss like this brings back painful memories. That said, we are much improved this year and this will prove to be the aberration and not the norm.

Go Hawks! Beat Dirk!

by dchawk on Dec 5, 2009 8:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Fire Mike Woodson! Immediately!

My Celtic fan friend gave me so much crap for this loss. This is unacceptable.

Why do we always start out so good then suck it up? History is repeating itself. We are not gonna crack the top 3.

And I hate being a duke fan cuz every time we play the magic Redick hits all his 3’s, and now it’s spreading to Duhon

by coachkcastellon on Dec 5, 2009 10:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

the dukies

have been coached up by coach k, van gundy, and dantoni. They know how to be a mike woodson team.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 5, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

whoops

i meant beat a mike woodson team

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 5, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL. Funny but sadly true. Still a foul, missed free throw, and Josh staying in the game would have been better for the Hawks. Sigh.

by redwards95 on Dec 5, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Joe Johnson leaves, I wouldn't even be mad

Honestly, I think the Hawks have outgrown JJ. As long as Horford and Josh Smith are on the roster, Rick Sund can build around them.

by dmortone on Dec 5, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone needs to settle down.

Josh Smith was ejected, that’s 100% why we lost. He’s been great all year, I’m not ready to re-open old wounds from yesteryear when he hasn’t been complaining all year until now. There was also a look ahead factor to the Mavs tonight. I’m feeling confident that we’ll win tonight and forget the Knicks fluke.

by Buzzsaw on Dec 5, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

josh got what he wanted

A foul, two of them a matter of fact. He acted like an ass and was treated like one. He needs to seriously correct his attitude because josh lost that game when he chose confrontation over his team. as for jj, he tried and still ended up being dick because rotation was out of the question. I love al and will forever he plays wit his heart. but gotta let this one go, lets go to Dallas and clean up and get a win. Go Hawks!

by Hawksgirl on Dec 5, 2009 4:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

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