JOE TO THE MAX
by dkrib on Dec 4, 2009 6:41 PM EST
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Last season, the Hawks offered Joe 60 m for 4 years and he declined. I was rather unhappy that he did not re-sign. However, based on the comments on the blogs, Joe should play out his contract. That can only mean one thing to the Hawks. The Hawks will have to pay more to keep Joe Johnson.
Before we go ahead, let me make one thing clear. A players value is based on not only his skill level, but the demand for his skill. Rashad Lewis did not get a max contract becos he is the best power forward. He got a max contract becos at that point in time, there was a high demand for his skill and Orlando needed a strong complement to Dwight Howard from the perimeter. For that, they were willing to over pay. Gilbert Arenas did not get a max deal from Washington until he started flirting with other teams and someone else was willing to offer him a max deal. Timing is also very important. If Joes contract had ended this season, he might not have commanded a max deal. But he is fortunate to be in the golden year of 2010.
Is Joe worth a max deal? Well, I don’t know and frankly, that is not really important. But one thing is for sure . He will get a max deal from either the Hawks or someone else. Why? Becos , next season , there will be a high demand for a second fiddle for teams like Cleveland, Chicago and Miami or from teams like New York if they fail to sign LeBron or Wade. Price has always been and will always be a convergence of demand and supply and next year, Joe will be in the lovely place of being in high demand with a limited supply of players with his skills. And for those who say that the Hawks should not offer Joe a Max deal. The reality is that the Hawks will find it very difficult to find a player near his skill level to replace him. This can only mean not resigning Joe will mean that the Hawks progress might be in Jeopardy. After 6 years of progress, why risk not resigning Joe?
So my fellow blogger, the question is not is Joe worth a max deal? The question is will Joe get a max deal. The answer my friend is YES.
Note: all these teams mentioned above have the cap space to sign Joe even if they keep their star player.
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JJ will stay becuz he wants to win.
You can’t blame him for wanting to weigh his options at the end of the season, but at the end of the day, JJ’s gonna have to decide between big money with a new rebuilding project and staying with the most desirable supporting cast in the NBA, pre-built around his game. JJ can look for more money, but I don’t think he’ll be able to come close to the amount of money he’d make by bringing a championship to ATL.
Because is how the word is spelled...
and Reshard’s contract pays him more than KG, Howard, and so many others. I just don’t think Joe is worth a R Lewis size deal, and feel very few are worth that much money to be honest, and also that he will not be nearly as difficult to replace on this roster as others. We’ve got a great team, and lots of talent with or without Joe. He is certainly a great player, and probably one of 20 best in the league, but we’ve got talent around him especially up front, and the team can move on without him imo. It won’t be easy, but with the right moves given the freed up money, and the continued development of the younger talents, this team has a bright future with or without their main man at SG.
Also
Gilbert Arenas isn’t worth that money. He has been nothing but injured and this year he isn’t really showing up in games either. Lewis isn’t worth his contract and yes, it is about whether the player is worth it. If it wasn’t then every player should get a max contract just ’becos’* it’s possible that some other team might want them.
I think you’re completely off base in your assessment of the situation, but in an attempt to be fair, I’d say this really requires a topic revisit after the playoffs. JJ no longer needs to be the number one options for this team because we have enough talent around him that we can actually run a proper offense and play inside-out. It has been proven every time this season that when we revert to running ISO-Joe almost nothing good comes from it and it has cost us at least two games against some of the worst teams in the league. If this year’s goal is to make it further in the playoffs, then I say JJ has to prove that he can carry this team to the ECF and beyond. I’m willing to wait until then or maybe the trade deadline if you are going to be impatient.
*No, ‘becos’ is not an acceptable form of saying ‘because’ as you will find this no where, not even at Urban Dictionary, so stop making yourself look bad, or continue because it amuses me.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
Why is that?
Last year in the playoffs JJ completely disappeared and the ISO-Joe killed us offensively. You can’t honestly think that after what we’ve seen early this season (glorious ball movement and outstanding front court scoring) that we should revert to the ISO-Joe in the playoffs can you? JJ no longer needs to be the number one option every single game because that just plays into our opponents defense. Sending the ball down low will only help JJ by creating space and force teams to not double him constantly (well, only if he passes out of doubles and triples consistently that is).
Why would you argue that?
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
I don't think there is a true "#1" on this team...
we are balanced with solid offensive weapons across the board. Ball movement, finding the hot hand and most advantageous matchup should be the #1 option on this team. We’ve got someone who can and likely will step up on most nights. Joe Johnson will ultimately be the leading scorer whether we use an iso-Joe offense, or just move it around to the hot hand and best shot in a particular set.
Exactly my point
He doesn’t need to be the number one option, but he can be, and that’s the difference.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
I just think that he's our most reliable, and versatile scorer.
There are going to be times that we need him to take over. The Dallas game was one of them.
But those times are becoming fewer and further between, I’ll give you that. Joe can be a great facilitator when he wants to. I believe that the difference in having a successful season, or a wildly successful season will come down to how well Joe is able (or willing) to adapt to which of these roles we need him to play.
But he’s still the number one crunch time option, and the Alpha Dog on this team. There is a reason Defenses double team him just about every time he gets the ball. The Offense still needs to flow through him. We are going to go as far as Joe takes us this year, just in a different way than in the past.
You can not be serious
Did you just create that page? Honestly, that is just sad.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
COMON...JESSE28..WHY WOULD I DO THAT ??
tAKE A LOOK AT THE PAGE “This page was last modified on 16 September 2009 at 05:10”.. obviously b4 “before” this blog began.
Yes
I was assuming that this probably isn’t the first time you have had to defend your language. That page is not a credible source because there are no notes, references, or source information to back it up.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
Frankly I'm just impressed that he was able to come up with that
Fine bit of trolling Dkrib.
/starts slow clap
Not similar...
“imo” is an abbreviation of three words. “becos” is lazy (you save two whole letters), misspelled, and not exactly as common as “imo”
There is also the argument
that Joe is bringing down this team with his selfish play. Maybe if we eliminate the possessions where a guard dribbles for 10 seconds and then shoots a long, contested jumper, we won’t have games like last night.
I dont get it
The last 2 post seasons,Joe has been criticized for not showing up and passing the ball anytime he sees a double team. Now he is making a conscious effort to score on soft double teams and he is still being criticized.WOW.. Joe is a patient and methodical player ….That is how he plays .. Isnt the team suppose to play to the players strength?
The team is supposed to play to the collective strengths of the players. While this includes Joe, it does not exclude the rest of the team. The team has very good offensive players at every position (SF is debatable, but Marvin definitely has potential). This team is also freakishly athletic. Please tell me how having Joe dribble out the clock and then put up a contested jumper utilizes our team strengths. Honestly, I’m not convinced that Joe is the best player on our team, and he is no longer the best scorer.
During the playoffs last year, I never criticized Joe, but I think the argument for him not showing up may revolve more around his .622 FT%. Patience means allowing the game to come to you. Forcing up shots just so you can score your nightly 21 is not being patient or methodical. And if putting up shots against a double team is Joe’s strength, this team will be just fine without him.
If Joe goes, what do we do?
Bump up Jamal Crawford and re-steal Flip Murray?
I bet we could get T-Mac pretty cheaply since Houston has moved on to their Brooks-Ariza-Battier backcourt
by coachkcastellon on Dec 5, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions
No1
Based on ESPN’s analysis, Joe is the No1 unrestricted free agent in 2010. Note Wade and co are restricted. That will also enhance his value.
no he isn't and no they aren't
I shouldn’t even have to type the names for you to understand this sentence.
his "market value" will...
be worth more than what he brings to the team. Let him go make his market value, and use that money to continue building towards the future.
Top freee agents
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9031
Please look at the least of free agents and let me know who is better than Joe
I SAID TOP UNRESTRICTED
The guys you mentioned can “opt out”of their contract next year. A little different
And when they opt out of their contract...
they become unrestricted free agents. So it’s not different enough to mean a damn thing.
and "if" they opt out....A little different
There is no guarantee that they will all opt out.
You mean other than each one saying they will...
do exactly that? And past history where most every player who hadn’t fallen off a cliff during their deal opted for free agency? If you are basing this on the slim to non-existent chance ANY of those 3 don’t opt out, let alone all 3, then I don’t know what to tell ya.
Please look at the first list on the link
Those are the “true restricted agent”.
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