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Preview and Game Thread #22: Atlanta Hawks @ Toronto Raptors

Atlanta Hawks at Toronto Raptors, Dec 11, 2009 7:00 PM EST


Atlanta Hawks 09-10 Season Game  #22

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15-6
10-14
Air Canada Centre
Dec, 11th 2009, 7:00 PM
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Probable starters:
Mike Bibby
PG Jose Calderon
Joe Johnson SG DeMar DeRozen
Marvin Williams
SF Hedo Turkoglu
Josh Smith PF Chris Bosh
Al Horford C Andrea Bargnani

 

Hawks Injury Report: Joe Smith is out

Raptors Injury Report: Reggie Evans is out and Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani are questionable.

Blogging With the Enemy: Raptors HQ (with a Q&A with me about things you are probably tired of reading me write about)

Predicted bane of the Hawks existence: Chris Bosh

Game Preview:

Hardwood Paroxysm tells us why we should watch every game tonight. And he nails the Hawks/Raptors game,

Meanwhile, the Hawks, and I’ve been meaning to comment on this for a while, know they should win games. I cannot overstress this, even with all the bold in the world. I could bold that fragment with the darkness of a black hole and it would not be enough. This team for half a decade has relied on going into each game with no knowledge. They were zen, no-mind. They just went out and ran and did things and then moved on. But now? This team is taking four years of doubters’ hate out on every team they come across. That Bulls game on Wednesday was the exact type of game they would have lost last year or the year before. Instead, they didn’t just beat them, they ran them out of the building, down the street, and out into Indiana. Seriously, I think Kirk Hinrich may be starting for Indiana tonight, that’s how badly the Hawks hurt the Bulls. But Toronto’s been trying to get its dignity back, so it’s possible this thing could turn.

+1.

Keys to the game:

  1. Attack the glass. Advantages win games when they are taken...advantage of.
  2. Patience on offense. Somewhere in those 24 seconds you are going to get a good shot.
  3. Lots of Al.

Go Hawks!

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"Atlanta without Joe Johnson next year would struggle to make the playoffs"

WEAK. What are you assuming here? If Atlanta loses JJ and picks up absolutely no one, then they won’t make the playoffs?

I mean, if all we did was add Crawford to the starting lineup and added someone else to the bench, we’d still make the playoffs easily. Teams with Al Horford don’t miss the playoffs. Teams with Good Josh Smith don’t miss the playoffs.

If we lose JJ, players would be begging to take his place with the supporting cast the Hawks have.

by Buzzsaw on Dec 11, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

even though I don't like to talk about losing jj

Its true. if we lose him many top guards would want the position he had especially on a promising team

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 5:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

really whp can we get?

And remember that we’ll only be about 5 million under the cap.

by thirdfALCON on Dec 11, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

someone who needs a fresh start

Someone similar to montae Ellis or branding Roy type players (not sayin these are potential prospects although montae is reportedly unhappy on the warriors)

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 5:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And a guard who is No.2 or the second option after a star………can’t think of any right now but you really never know who may want to come hear just like how Crawford was happy to come

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 5:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Worst Case? Tracy McGrady

He’d give us 20 good games, more than enough to make the playoffs.

by Buzzsaw on Dec 11, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

We lose Bibby with JJ

Lot of young quick guards out there waiting on playing time and money. Do you think they would have a problem feeding Al and Josh? Pushing the ball? Passing instead of ISO? I agree we might not be as good for a year but after that – maybe better.

I think JJ will stay but I would not increase his offer. Dosen’t Chills come off the books after this year? Or make him the new 6 man.

Speaking of cap why can’t we go over. What top ten team in the league spends less than us. Most spend 10-24 million more. That would get you a player.

by RivBoatGambler on Dec 11, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe Smith out

looks like Rando or Collins are gonna double their mins tonight

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

i doubt

Othello plays but he will prob dress maybe he can get 3 or 4 garbage mins

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

209 is the o/u, FWIW

Anyone think that’s insanely low? Isn’t it really likely that both teams are pushing 130, considering the last match-up?

Should I find a bookie and place a bet on this?

by Bronn on Dec 11, 2009 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

Worth a reminder:

Here’s the Raptor’s coach following the last loss to the Hawks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vHRMeRszw4

Let’s hope he has to go through that again.

by Bronn on Dec 11, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

I just love that clip

I’m using every excuse I can to throw it out there.

by Bronn on Dec 11, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I am at the bar getting fueled up

Get ready, game threaders! Angry white northerner comin’ through!

by Duff_Man on Dec 11, 2009 6:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Oh no!

We’re wearing those bad luck red unis!! They’re the ones Orlando spanked us in.

by dstdeelite on Dec 11, 2009 7:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Holy crap! Josh Made a three!

Sure, it came in a dead ball situation…after the whistle…but WOW!

by Bronn on Dec 11, 2009 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

lets redeem these jerseys tonight

It should stand for Toronto’s blood(not literally but figuratively speaking)

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 7:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

come on ref

Turn up the heat hawks!

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 7:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

alrighty

I’m started to wonder about these jerseys. alright marv

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 7:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

energy isn't there

Bring on Crawford and teague

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 7:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

OMG

Vibes isn’t right. no energy. what happened on delta

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 7:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

hustle hustle hustle

Jj king of 1 on 3 shots mad

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 7:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

ok

what is goin on are we playing like garbage again

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

Are we gonna play any defense tonight?

Is Dick gonna be prevalent tonight? Damn I hope not!!

by dstdeelite on Dec 11, 2009 7:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

we play bottom teams next week

If we win today we could get a good win streak going

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 7:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Joe

making shots dios mio

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

Dang jj

Runnin things

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 7:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

JT

getting some mins tonight

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

not bad hawks

Moe covered for josh

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 7:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

ugh

oh well we had a good run near the end awesome

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

so

It was only a 2 anyway. still got the lead

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 7:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Josh Smith 1-8

Yeouch-he’s jeopardizing his 50% mark for the year with a game like this.

by Bronn on Dec 11, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

so....

josh smith starts hitting shots, no foul trouble, a little defense, and the hawks are up by 10 at half.

by hawksdawgs on Dec 11, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

i root for jeff teague assists

harder than probably anything in the game.

by hawksdawgs on Dec 11, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

teague in

Mo starting off good

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 7:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

“our coach always stares and never does anything.” my wife’s first observation about the game.

by hawksdawgs on Dec 11, 2009 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

Zaza

didnt even jump for that just pushed it back up

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

jose calderon

is going to make jeff teague look like an all star.

by hawksdawgs on Dec 11, 2009 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

teague!

Moe! great bench help

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 7:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Second unit

Lighting it up for the second straight game.

by Bronn on Dec 11, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

JT

playing some D and JC with a 2 handed dunl ;p;

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 7:52 PM EST reply actions  

teague!

Quick hands. permanent back up point guard woody! permanent!

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 7:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

the bench is 10-11. solid i guess.

by hawksdawgs on Dec 11, 2009 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

get mo evans in the mix

might have been the most serious think i have ever heard Nique say.

by hawksdawgs on Dec 11, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

130 points tonight

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 11, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

shooting great

Defense good…how another blowouts possibly. that would be embarrassing for Toronto though

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 8:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

goood close outs on shooters

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 11, 2009 8:03 PM EST reply actions  

wow

we must be playing in bizarro world cuz were actually making 3s. no wait its just Canada

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions  

Oh good

Because we needed to break the defense down. We’d only scored 59 points to that point, with over 2 minutes left in the first half.

by Bronn on Dec 11, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

what is the diff between Tiger Woods and Santa Claus??
Santa stops after 3 Ho’s

by RivBoatGambler on Dec 11, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

Lmao

That’s cold

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 8:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

How does Tiger keep track of what hole he is playing?

By the tattoo on her back

I'll Have A Matty Ice Please.

by IllHaveAMattyIcePlease on Dec 11, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

why arent

we up by more damn Woody and his horrible coaching

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

last play...............

Jj penetrates and misses. but bad start great recovery. nice lead lets keep it goin

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 8:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Is it possible

That Mo Evans speaks BETTER with his mouthpiece in?

by Duff_Man on Dec 11, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

Whats the diff between a golf ball and an Esclade?
Tiger can drive a golf ball over 400 yards………

by RivBoatGambler on Dec 11, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

OMG

Stop it! Lol.

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 8:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

BOOOOO!

Jay Leno? Is that you?

by Duff_Man on Dec 11, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

44-35 shots

shows what rebounding, steals and turn overs can do for a team

not to mention 14-9 in assists

by RivBoatGambler on Dec 11, 2009 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

lol

You are something special

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 8:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

y'all remember the nintendo game double dribble?

philips should play an explosion every time the hawks shoot a three

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 11, 2009 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

philips really needs to step up. i’m late to the chat so i don’t know if this has been covered, but if toronto can fill up with that team, we need to do better here.

by hawksgate on Dec 11, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

most definitely

but the hawk fans coning to see the hawks are few

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 11, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The fade in the corner was money!

And I ALWAYS got perfect in the 3-point contest in the arcade version!

by Duff_Man on Dec 11, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoo

Horf taking jumpers

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

Horf is starting to nail that jumper.

He could be special when those go down regularly.

by Duff_Man on Dec 11, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

yeah al needs the ball

get bosh on his heels

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 11, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

Horf

nailing jumpers awesome

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply actions  

this lead should be twenty

Crawford and jj in puts me at ease. put him in woody

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 8:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

any wagers that joe will pass up a jumper

to drive to the bucket this game?

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 11, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

What is the non-Westhead record for points allowed?

Take out those Nuggets teams…the Raptors have to be flirting with a high number here.

by Duff_Man on Dec 11, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

oh Melvin

i thought you were gonna slam it down but just lost steam mid air

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

scoring slowed down a bit

maybe not 130 but 115ish

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 11, 2009 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

now its 20.

Yea we doin it big!

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 8:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Oooooh

I wanted that one smooth

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 8:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The way this game is heading

we’re going to get to see Jason and Randolph. We need that nickname guys!!!! What’s it gonna be?

by Co Co on Dec 11, 2009 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

alrighty

raptors whipping is overdue

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 8:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Josh Smith

Um…don’t look now, but he looks like he is comfy and in rhythm on the line!

by Duff_Man on Dec 11, 2009 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

frustration

All over jjs face

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 8:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

weatherman?

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 11, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

My nickname for Al Horford.

My roommate used to keep calling him Al Roker by accident. So one night, I just started yelling GO WEATHERMAN. And it stuck.

by Duff_Man on Dec 11, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

come on teague

Go Crawford! good ball movement

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 8:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

It took a little while...

but we remembered it’s the Raptors, and the Raptors suck.

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 11, 2009 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

HUSTLE!!!

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 11, 2009 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

come on lets not

let them back in i wanna see Rando Collins and maybe Othello is he dressed tonight

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 8:58 PM EST reply actions  

Sooner or later,...

Woody will realize he is wasting the best 8th man in the league.

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 11, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

that was down!

Josh is really focused on his Freethrows. I hope he becomes an allstar because so far this season, he deserves it

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 8:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I know it's been some suspect opponents,...

but could Woody finally be learning to play Teague? Pretty please, with a cherry on top.

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 11, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

"Just smile and look pretty, Nique"

“I thought that’s what Bob’s for. After all, look at this hair.”
“Good point, you’re fired.”
“Wait, let me start over.”

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 11, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

the boo birds are out

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 11, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

Its time...

for the victory cigars!

by CoxXx on Dec 11, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

ugh so i guess

Randmo and Collins and Othello are only gonna play 2 mins

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 9:12 PM EST reply actions  

why is smooth in?

Othello and double helpings where art thou

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 9:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

empty the bench NOW

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 11, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions  

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Othello gets his first action of the year

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 11, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

and he gets a rebound...

Woody, what have you been waiting for? Unleash the secret weapon.

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 11, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

GTM!

I'll Have A Matty Ice Please.

by IllHaveAMattyIcePlease on Dec 11, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

Othello:

“I finally got in the game, but this fan kept saying crazy things about my wife. Says his name was Iago-I should check in on her later…”

by Bronn on Dec 11, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

WHOOOO

OTHELLO just doubled his mins and rebounds tonight he is earning he $10.50 tonight

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

othello!!

wait, time out already?

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 11, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

alright bench emptied

Earlier would have been better though woody

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 9:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Math fail...

we completely flubbed the over. Damn alcohol, what number drink is this? You win again Vegas, you win again.

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 11, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Guess he wanted to save the bench

Because, for the most part, they outplayed the starters.

Thanks Bob.

by Bronn on Dec 11, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

We need consensus!

Victory cigar vs. Happy Meal is consuming my brain.

Both sound like race horses.

by eyy on Dec 11, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

For some reason it just doesn't sound like a duo

For some reason, Victory Cigar does to me, and obviously Happy Meal implies some sort of combination

by eyy on Dec 11, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

More like an alley-opps!

amiright?
Is this thing on?

by Duff_Man on Dec 11, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

come on out score the starters!

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 11, 2009 9:18 PM EST reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOO

Morris is hurt why god WHY

by Erihury on Dec 11, 2009 9:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Dang they booeinng their own team

Killer block too little too late

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 9:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

So that o/u

Only 200 points in this one. Guess Vegas knew something.

by Bronn on Dec 11, 2009 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

great game hawks!

Good defense and offense tonight nice decrease of mins tonight woody and usage of the bench. Let’s keep it goin hawks!

by Hawksgirl on Dec 11, 2009 9:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Great game for Teague.

I’m watching the Orlando-Phoenix game and Nash is eating them alive—no Jameer Nelson is painful against someone like that. I hope Teague’s role increases so the Hawks can use him next time against the Magic ’cause they will not have an answer for him.

Great job by the Hawks and Woody in getting him in. And he looks good!

by rbubp on Dec 11, 2009 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

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