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Examining whether Joe Johnson heeds his own advice.

It is official. Joe Johnson is a new man. This was not even hyperbolic, over emotional Joe. The Hawks had just beaten the Denver Nuggets as soundly as they had lost the night before. And anyone is right to not get overly hyped about the win. The Nuggets were missing two starters after all. But man is Joe not happy about Charlotte or what?

Johnson, for one, was still smarting from the Charlotte loss, saying "I think we still have a little bit of immaturity on this team. And that's something we've got to look forward to working on. In no way possible should Charlotte beat us by 20, even though they were at home."

This is not a Joe Johnson hate parade. I thought Joe's attitude during the game was great. He was fouling hard, fighting inside for rebounds, and for the most part making the team better. And to be honest, Joe still harping on the Charlotte game makes me like his first comments even more. That loss was not acceptable, and just because every team is going to have some unacceptable losses does not mean they need to be taken lightly. I don't think KG or Kobe or LeBron are just going to ho hum 20 point losses to non playoff teams because they are inevitable facts of the NBA.

The more it looks like Joe is not emotionally pouting in the locker room but actually not satisfied with losing, the more I like it. High expectations from the players is never a bad thing.

However, on a night where the Hawks showed some maturity on offense and performed at a highly efficient rate, it seems only right to take that brooding anger of Joe and turn it at him. Because if Joe believes this team should win every game and projects that belief onto his teammates instead of trusting only himself, this team could actually be pretty special. 

I rewatched the game. Charting every half court offensive possession. After the jump, I have typed out Joe Johnson's possessions. I have put in bold his one on one play. I should note I defined one on one play as anything that involves stagnant dribbling, uncalled for, out of rhythm shots, or offensive sets that should be obviously passed out of. I stopped charting after Josh Smith's block of Birdman and Joe Johnson's open three in the fourth because that was pretty much the end of the game.

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Joe Johnson on offense.

  • Comes off screens,  quick dribble, and shoots makes.
  • One one one play miss.
  • Iso post up, drive miss.
  • Dribble drive, quick layup make.
  • Dribble for jumper. One on one. Miss. Leads to carmello easy shot.
  • Over dribbles into turnover. Chauncey three pointer.
  • Dribbled into double team out of it and then back in for a made jumper.
  • Steps through double team, makes jumper.
  • Iso quick shot through double team, miss.
  • Post up, doubled dribbles out, but quickly passes to a cutting joe smith. Make.
  • Sits with the ball on a zone double team. Passes to Teague with little time left who shoots jumper and misses.
  • Dribbles too much gets doubled and throws it away.
  • Handed ball on perimeter no one comes out to defend. Nails a three.
  • One on one but in an advantageous switch. Shoots jumper fouled.
  • One on one. Missed jumper.
  • Runner missed. Heavily contested.
  • Made three off ball movement.

That is eight one on one plays for Joe with only one (the switched defender) being acceptable. Marvin Williams and Al Horford had one apiece and Jamal Crawford had four with one coming at the end of the half. Of the eight people who played more than fifteen minutes only two shot below fifty percent, Jeff Teague and Joe Johnson. So the other six were shooting 60% from the floor for the game. If there was one night to trust your teammates, it was last night.

Joe Johnson is the Hawks best scorer. Under control, he can obtain the highest percentage shot the most often with the most ease. Many offensive sets should be called for Joe. He should even have the luxery to break down his defender one on one sometimes. Moreover, those six guys that shot 60% will not always do that. But the fact of the matter is only six times between them did someone take the game in their own hands and try and score. Predominantly, they did exactly what Joe Johnson wanted them to, played within the offense.

Joe did not have a bad game, but if I am going to agree with him that the Charlotte game is not acceptable if you want to be an elite team, I am going to say it is not acceptable because the Hawks have the overall talent to beat the Bobcats any night.

"I don't know when we all of a sudden just really became a selfish team," Johnson said. "Now everybody wants to go one-on-one. It's me, me, me. It's crazy, man."

And Joe's right. I don't disagree one bit with what he said after the loss to the Bobcats. The way that talent is negated is when people want to score on their own and don't trust their teammates, and only one guy was guilty of that last night.

Joe deserves to get his shots, but the fact is, he is routinely guilty of getting them in most detrimental way possible for the team and himself. Last night was no exception.

Joe is getting this leader thing down, all that is missing is practicing what he preaches, and if he does, Joe will succeed and so will this team.

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I LOVE THE NEW JOE!!!

Say somethiong Joe..I dont care what it is. I dont care if it is not right. JUST SAY SOMETHING…We have tried the quiet Joe and the young team for too long and it does not work!!!
Speak up! Even if it means creating tension!!. Enough of taking nights off…Enough of young team on the road. WE SHOULD EXPECT TO WIN EVERY MATCH AND IF WE DONT, THE LEADER HAS THE RIGHT TO BE ANGRY AND EMOTIONAL!. Maybe ..just maybe that is what we need to move to the next level.. I am not comparing Joe to Micheal, but Micheal was notoriously tough on his team mates and it worked in the long term even if it did not work in the short term.
There is a new marshall in town, his name is Joe and you will be called out if you dont play your role.

by dkrib on Nov 8, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like this jj....

He speaks his mind and knows what goes wrong and obviously knows how to set it right. I like that he is trying and i want to see him talk to his teammates after a bad posession or timeout to show them he is there….

by Hawksgirl on Nov 8, 2009 4:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

He obviously can’t accept that he makes up the majority of the problem

by acie4mvp on Nov 8, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t mind all his talking through the media if he did practice what he preaches. But he has complained after the past two games and in the Charlotte game he had that quote about people being selfish and going one-on-one and then he had one assist. Every time the offensive flow seems to be stagnant is when he has the ball and holds if for 5 or 10 seconds, waits to get doubled, then dribbles out of it (instead of passing to the open man), and then forces up a shot as the shot clock is expiring. I like it that he is finally trying to be a leader, but he needs to learn when to say something and when not to. He needs to call himself out first before he starts putting it on everybody… Joe has always been my favorite Hawk, but I’d just like to see him practice what he preaches… I honestly believe he is feeling some pressure now that Jamal has come in and been lighting it up.

by BravesFanScout on Nov 8, 2009 5:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pressure from JC?

How? JJ is still defending the opposing teams’ best backcourt player and until JC does that on a regular basis, I don’t think JJ is losing any sleep.

Hawksdawg, I was wondering did you get a chance to review the Charlotte game, the basis for this discussion?

by xavip on Nov 8, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I did not and that is a worthy point

but i deleted that thing quite fast from the DVR.

but my prediction, if my memory serves me correct, is that the one on one play would be much more pronounced among the other players but not leave Joe looking any better when looking at the percentage of one one one in his overall time with the basketball.

and i think we would also just see a lot of missed shots that were not different from the denver game except the Hawks made them one night and not the other.

and i agree. Joe has nothing to worry about in regards to JC for the exact reason you mentioned. and probably four or five more.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 8, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent analysis.

And you all realize the reason JJ is doing this is $$$$$. He knows that his contract at the end of this year will be much determined by whether he’s really a team leader or not.

I think the answer is already clear, though as long as his hypocrisy doesn’t wear out his own teammates (Smoove being the likely first candidate) and damage team chemistry, it’s probably not a problem.

Too bad apparently no one tells him how to actually be a better player himself.

by rbubp on Nov 8, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

But he clearly does not mean himself (the point of the post).

by rbubp on Nov 8, 2009 10:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yup...

Hey, Hey. Been reading thses blogs for some time now but never chimed in. I’m also @Jazzhop on twitter (some of you may remeber my scoop on the Mo Evans D-Wade beef late in the offseason).

We are having this same heated JJ debate over on the AJC blogs lol.

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-hawks-blog/2009/11/07/nuggets-present-golden-opportunity/comment-page-2/#comment-4040

My thing is, How do two people (Bibby and JJ) who came from exellent offensive systems (Adleman and D’Antoni) have nothing significant to offer Mike Woodson in the way of advice. Shoot, even Mo evans played in the Triangle for Phil and in Van Gudy’s system in Orlando. It just baffles me… We have the talent, but in the playoffs, teams will continue to converge on JJ like hungry pirannah and we will loose any offensive fluidity that we THOUGHT we had. Jamal helps….I think the Boston game later this week will really be our barometer.

by Ariose on Nov 8, 2009 11:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Would Woodson let them speak?

Woody’s looking out for #1, himself. If he wanted to genuinely make this team better, even if it made him look foolish or bad at coaching offense, he would have listened to Joe, Bibby, his staff, other coaches, etc.

Right now he’s in survival mode and will do anything to make sure Sund and the owners think he is the right guy.

by coachkcastellon on Nov 9, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ariose

thanks for the link and always posting peachtree hoops links over there.

your comments are always welcome and appreciated here.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 9, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really think Woody doesn't want the best for his team?

Of course he is looking out for himself 1st. What professional coach doesn’t? Woody has a belief in his system and there is nothing wrong with that. When you think about his system it draws heavily off of Larry Brown which is a championship formula which can’t be said of the system JJ was in and Bibby also. Adelman did make it to 2 Finals though. So I don’t think looking foolish or bad is a worry for Woody. I think it’s a matter of doing something he trusts. And with a contract extension on the line for Woody why experiment w/ the unknown? Learning a new offense from a coach familiar with that particular offense takes a while to learn (look at the Wiz and their struggles right now). Now imagine Woody learning a new offense and trying to implement it. Plus it’s not like Sund would hire an offensive coordinator for Woody anyway.

by xavip on Nov 9, 2009 1:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

He is right though

Guys have to play their role…his role is to be the focus for the opposing team and he has to put the pressure on them to dbl him by driving and being aggressive. He needs screens from guys who will knock down shots, or who can put it on the floor. I don’t think he was calling out one player. If you look at the box score a lot of guys took a lot of shots…even Pachulia put up 9 shots…and the D was terrible. I think players though it was a chance to get career highs

by Cmart34 on Nov 9, 2009 8:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Link Please!!!

Can somebody please provide the link where Sekou was calling JJ out about JC on NBA tv Gametime? I can’t find it. Did anybody watch the game on NBAtv instead of Sports South? If so, what were some of the comments being made throughout the game? Someone on the AJC blog said that a commentator said there was a rift in the locker room. Thoughts?

by dstdeelite on Nov 9, 2009 9:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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