Atlanta Hawks 113, Sacramento Kings 105 or winning is better than losing

by hawksdawgs on Nov 5, 2009 7:34 AM EST Comment 44 comments

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I missed the final five minutes of this game because my dog went to the bathroom twice in the span of 10 minutes in the house. He had never gone inside before last night. Sometimes you just have crappy games. Last night was one of them.

If the Hawks prove they can win on the road against the likes of Blazers, these types of games against the Kings become much easier to take. Following the Portland game, last night is a win and not a win that articulates the problem. The Hawks simply turned the ball over too much and for three quarters failed to play the kind of defense and put the proper effort on the glass to soundly beat any team in the league. This game was the Indy game against a worse team.

But coming in the second game of back to backs, with the win secure, all this one really does is give Mike Woodson reason to keep preaching the same thing he has always preached and allow us to get back to yelling the same thing about rookie point guards we have always yelled.

Winnng cures most everything, including winning badly. It would have been nice to see Jeff Teague more. Joe Johnson's relationship with the double team continues to live in the dysfunctional. Mike Woodson's foul patrol, tonight squarely focused on Josh Smith, continues to remain suffocatingly forceful. Zaza Pachulia guarding Beno Udrich out at the three point line on multiple possessions worked as well as Travis Outlaw the night before. And the Hawks still need two hands, four feet, and five seconds to secure any loose ball.

But the good news is the Hawks won. The west coast portion of the road trip ends at 2-1, and we can focus on how Jeff Teague looked good in the brief minutes he played. Josh Smith remained aggressive and effective despite the fouls and limited minutes. Joe Johnson actually beats those double teams more times than he doesn't, and come the fourth quarter, he beats anything and everything. And we can let Zaza guarding Beno go for a bit because Jamal Crawford has kept the awesome going, and it is much more fun to talk awesome than Zaza's perimeter defense.

The Hawks played bad for three quarters on the defensive end. They scored on the offensive end effectively by most any standards except maybe the standard of playing Sacramento. It is what it is, a crappy game. Saying the Hawks need better defense against better teams is beyond obvious. But harping on every way the Hawks should have played better would turn into an exercise of trying to squeeze two wins out of one.

Basically, any win on the road in the second of back to backs is a good win. No matter how obvious the crap is.

Go Hawks!

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I don't think it was a crappy game

I think it shows how good the Hawks really are this year. For the first 3 years of this regime, we had to sit there and watch teams come to Philips, where the Hawks would grind out a game for 3 quarters, only to watch the opponent dominate the 4th and coast out with what appeared to be easy victory.

The Hawks now know how to win, and they know that most nights, they are going to have to hang in for 3 quarters, then turn up the intensity in the 4th quarter on the defensive end. So far, they have done that the last two nights.

That is how you become a 50 win NBA team, and they look like they have gotten there.

That said, we also need to start having some of those 42 point first quarter games where Joe can play 30 mins and Teague can get 25, but those will come at Philips.

Time to buckle down for a grinder in Charlotte on Friday, as these guys love some slugfests. We all know that Gerald Wallace would be the MVP of the NBA if he played the Hawks for 82 games (Jevale McGee would get 2nd) so we need to bring the lunch pail.

by Fred Pen on Nov 5, 2009 7:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

disagree a bit

the kings are suppose to be on the worst teams in the league.

elite teams hope they can put away the Indy’s of the world early they expect to put away the kings. even for elite teams, it does not always happen that way, but we can still call a spade a spade without denying the possibility of 50 wins.

for me:
lose=horrible
bad win=crappy
dominating win= good
crushing win= great.

this may shock you, but I just made that list up right now.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 5, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Gotta disagree with you too

Being that I’m a Kings fan I’m neither hurt nor shocked that the Hawks won. I agree they did not play as well as they can, but it’s 5 games into the season. Were you expecting the Larry O’Brien trophy? (I doubt it.)

On the other hand what I thought the Hawks did that the Kings didn’t (because they’re young, inexperienced yadda yadda, and stop me where this parallels where the Hawks were several years ago) execute when they needed to.

The Hawks got lucky that so little recognition from many of the Kings players on a variety of plays (pick & rolls, open court play, passing to the open man, passing to the player who is shooting well) are all foreign subjects still to this group.

The Hawks are a 50 win team, and acted like it regardless of they brought their A game. Every team plays a bit off sometimes, and these type of wins are what separates the 50 game win teams from a 41 win team.

The Hawks put the screws on Martin & Evans, and it worked because the Kings didn’t run their offense to precision. Offensively, ball movement with the Hawks ruled the day in the 4th.

I am convinced the Hawks would have lost if the Arena had been loud last night though.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

the kings, by most everyone’s estimation, are a bottom five team. and this game was in rather serious doubt until 2 minutes to go.

this kind of game is to be expected sometimes for the hawks. so is losing. doesn’t mean i have to like it. what i was wanted was a 3 or 4 quarters of the 4th quarter. We could have rested starters, played teague, tested different rotations.

like i said in the post, it i does not bother me that the game played out as such. the hawks earned the benefit of the doubt the night before. the kings played well for 3 1/2 quarters. but all things being equal, my expectations were not ridiculous (i don’t think) so the hawks underperformed.

but to be honest, it may have been a bit of hyperbole to reference that my dog crapped all over my house….

by hawksdawgs on Nov 5, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I actually thought the dog reference worked

But that’s me. I enjoy a good piece of hyperbole every now & again.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

plus the hawks lost 3 of 4 factors for winning

via Sactown.

the hawks should not freak out about it, but they shouldnt be happy.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 5, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you're under-estimating that there are games where even a bottom 5 NBA team

reminds that being a bottom 5 NBA team can play better than they’re capable of on most nights. I would take the Kings against any college team right now. Period. In fact, I’d give 10 points to anybody wanting to bet on the college team. My only worry would be at a certain point that the Kings (or any bottom 5 team) don’t let up and let the college team back in the game. Seriously.

Onto a real point that matters, is that what the Hawks did well was shoot. It was close enough in the rebounding & FT/FGA categories that the TOV% didn’t matter when the Kings were jacking up shots that just missed.

I don’t think you were expecting perfection, and I don’t think what you were saying was over-critical actually. What I think you’re doing is not giving the Hawks credit for being that 50 win team, and the Kings for being a NBA team that can beat most teams in the NBA on a given night when things go right for them.

Not a biggie really.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

fair enough

i was an optimist all off season. i must be over compensating.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 5, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Second game of back to back on a road trip...

those are always struggles. But we won, overcoming adversity, on the road, for a second straight night. I don’t care how it looked or who it was against, for this team, that’s a good game.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 5, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Teague

Why am I not seeing more of Jeff Teague. Is he going to end up like Acie Law. Where is it written that the starters have to play 30+ min every game. What I do not want is to dampen the guy’s confidence. I know its early but it seems like Woodson will only put him in as an afterthought. I hate that. Shelden Williams and Solomon Jones who did not play much here, have been integrated into their respective team’s offense. Jason Collins and Hunter should have played against the Lakers, so we could bang with their bigs. When we get to the Bostons and Clevelands we are going to get pushed around. We got to spread the love around Woodson and stop playing scared. We have guys that can be used in different situations. Use them.

by yardie on Nov 5, 2009 8:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Woody is Woody

Mike Woodson is still coach. What did you expect? He wants a new contract if not with the Hawks then elsewhere. That means his Hawks need to match last year’s win total and playoff seeding. Doing that is more likely if Crawford and Bibby play most of the minutes at PG instead of Teague. It’s no big surprise Woody will let next year’s coach worry about developing Teague. When he does get to play, Teague looks noticeably better to me than Acie who often played very tentatively if not invisibly. Teague should become a valuable player. It just might not happen this year.

by redwards95 on Nov 5, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hawks looked very good with Teague on the floor

So Woody’s reluctance to play him can’t result from merely a constant “must-win” mentality. If that’s all that’s driving him, then Teague would have earned some second-half minutes based on the way the second unit played together at the end of the first quarter.

My dark suspicion is that Woody believes his PGs MUST hit jumpshots, and he doesn’t believe in Teague’s jumper. Teague missed an open shot at the 10:02 mark in the second quarter, and he was subbed out at the next opportunity, without getting back into the game. I doubt the correlation is as direct as that, but I remember his infatuation with Tyronn Lue, and the way that Bibby seems to be a perfect fit for this team is a strong reminder.

by Bronn on Nov 5, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Woody is Woody

Yeah (sigh) You right. Don’t get me wrong, I like Crawford out there. I figured he would get most of the minutes anyway. Woody needs to study how Doc Rivers rotates his players. I am not gonna holler too much though, cause we winning.

by yardie on Nov 5, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Woody actually coached tonight

Its good to see the Hawks grind out a win like that. What’s even better is seeing our starters getting rest to play better in the 4th quarter. I hate to admit it, but Woodson actually coached well, and even when we were down, he refused to change his gameplan and put all the starters back in for the rest of the game halfway thru the 3rd. Instead, we stayed in the game with our bench, then in the 4th quarter, our starters were fresh but Sacramento was so tired they couldn’t buy a shot. And is it safe to say yet that Jamal Crawford is the pick up of the year?

by CoxXx on Nov 5, 2009 10:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Good win

there was a time not long ago this team would lose a back to back no matter who they played. Just from being too tired. We actually have a solid bench. I would like to see Teague more, just so he can get his confidence up for the playoffs. As good as Joe and Jamal, and others are playing…..it’s Josh’s defense, blocks, and intimidation around the basket that is pushing these wins. He had huge blocks in this one, and in the Portland game his last block was a momentum changer……keep it up Josh…..Marvin get involved

by Cmart34 on Nov 5, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Out of curiosity

Why do so many people think that playing Jeff Teague will result in better success, now or in the future, for the Hawks?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Fascination with the new guy

I think…and that dunk he had on Lamar Odom’s head the other night.

Hawk fans also want to see Joe Johnson average 35 minutes or less a game so he will be fresh down the stretch, and the thought is that more Crawford and Teague will mean less Joe and Bibby.

And, we have seen Woody let young guys rot on the bench for the last few seasons.

Woody appears to be playing it the right way to me. Let Teague develop slowly as the season goes along. Get him a few minutes a game in non-crunch time situations. There will be plenty of blowouts at Philips for him to get his minutes.

by Fred Pen on Nov 5, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I understand the fascination with the "new guy" argument

Kings fans are doing it with Omri Casspi. He doesn’t deserve to start, nor should he until he’s ready. Right now he’s good enough on one of the worst teams (if not the worst team) in the league to get rotation minutes.

On the other hand, he’s not ready to start and keep Marvin Williams from dominating him. While I like Williams and what he brings to the table, he is hardly the top SF in the game.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

in two years, max three years

teague or someone new will need to be the starting pg for the hawks to be good.

he has yet to be bad or a detriment to the team (though certainly not exceptional either).

i think 12 or so minutes a night is good for a rookie to get acclimated to playing the point guard at the nba level. at the very least, you can get ready to draft another pg in a year or two if he does not work out.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 5, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The Hawks are already good

Unless Teague develops beyond what his best case scenario is, the Hawks will still be a 50 win, max 55 win team that has just enough to be looking at just outside the championship contenders.

I realize that’s irritating, but I just don’t see how Teague pushes the Hawks over the top.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

oh i don't either

not what i was trying to say. i also don’t really see the hawks contending for the conference championship this year either. In two or three years, i could easily see it, and I could see teague being the starter.

but you have to develop the guy. i want him to see more minutes because so far he has shown he can come close to holding serve while he is in there.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 5, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well I understand that too

So let me leave you alone with this: I would rather the Hawks have put in Teague last night than Bibby.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

a good, helpful perspective

from an opposing fan. thanks.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 5, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

There's more than a fascination with the rookie at work

We’re very much concerned about Woody’s ability to develop rookie guards. There’s a good reason for each of the guys who have failed: Royal Ivey, Salim Stoudamire, and Acie Law hardly appear to be legitimate starters. We haven’t had a Derrick Rose or Chris Paul (comment restrained) come in here.

But at some point, given the cap issues and the current make-up of the roster, Hawks are going to have to find a young point guard to take over this team going forward. I believe you need playing time in real games in order to truly gain worthwhile experience-at the very least, Woodson only plays guys who get a lot of minutes if the game is at all in doubt during the fourth quarter.

There’s also the quandry of this team-the roster, as currently constructed, appears slotted as a solid playoff team but not a true contender for the forseeable future. There’s no simple way to reconstruct this team in order to build a contender without completely blowing it up. 11 years ago, in this very spot, they decided to do just that, and it took us this long to get back here. Our best hope to make any forward progress is to hope some hot-shot rookie breaks his way into the rotation and blows up. Expecting Marvin Williams, Josh Smith, and Al Horford to suddenly become Paul Pierce, Rasheed Wallace, and Kevin Garnett is a foolish hope.

by Bronn on Nov 5, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Couple things

Obviously Derrick Rose or Chris Paul isn’t coming in the door. But if you had Chris Paul you wouldn’t have Marvin Williams right now. A worthwhile trade off, but I’m no sure this roster has Al Horford either if the Hawks take Paul.

Chris Paul, as great as he is, can’t carry a roster devoid of talent, devoid of realistic ways to improve the roster, and a terrible owner with George Shinn being part of that. Even with that said, since Paul has been in New Orleans, the Hornets have signed Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson and James Posey to high end contracts relative to their talents. It just hasn’t worked that well save 2007-08. It’s very hard to win championships in the NBA, and it’s not because of market size.

If market size were a factor in winning championships, wouldn’t Atlanta qualify in that scenario?

I understand your point about the Hawks not having a lot of cap room, but cap room doesn’t mean much. Not in the NBA. Not unless you have something you’re going to use it on that is a clear over the top type move (such as a trade or a signing).

I don’t think the Hawks will ever be contenders, and they’re stuck in a catch 22. I personally would be happy that they could make the 2nd round of the playoffs every year given the alternative, but I understand wanting a championship.

Until Josh Smith grows up the Hawks have no chance at that. Especially given that Smith is a tweener and isn’t as committed as some other stars in the league. Maybe he grows up some; maybe not. Hard to say at this point.

All I know is that winning a championship in the NBA is much harder than any other sport including baseball. And, it’s not always about spending money. There isn’t a simple quick easy fix to get the Hawks a championship. If Teague is that answer, than I guess I could see why you want to know that.

To me though, if your’e talking about a championship, you’re talking about the best players on the Hawks being better than they are now. The Hawks have a lot of young core talent even though they’ve been together awhile. Joe Johnson is the oldest of the group, and he’s what, 29?

I guess what I’m getting at is that I fail to see how a guy drafted 19th makes the Hawks a championship contender any more than Bibby or Crawford do now. (Bibby was drafted 2nd overall, and Crawford 7th overall.)

Feel free to disagree with me on that, but that’s what it is. The problem I see it is that management and ownership have not sent good vibes to players around the league, and thus without that Chris Paul type to sell players on the franchise it will continue to be difficult to draw players until the talent in Atl is ready to make that next step.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 6, 2009 4:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

for your opinion...

I applaud you for your logical thinking dispite your alliegence to the kings. My beef is that you have some “hate” of teague making the hawks better, and that the hawks will never be a contender.

I believe if you play your good players then you’ll have a cohesiveness within the team. If teague can drive the rock, distribute the ball, and play sound defense, which he has, why wouldn’t he make the team a contender? But then again that was your honest opinion.

And now to your belief that the hawks will never be a contender (obviously some bitter words caused by your team losing) Never is such a long time and this season is long. We’re only five games in. I could say Cleveland will never win one because they look exactly like the same team ever year, favorite to win the east maybe the finals and then never happens. I believe the Hawks will challenge the east if they stay healthy and play the defense they’re capable of playing every night.

ps…our team has about four 30 somethings

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Nov 6, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

in my opinion....

bitterness reigns in sactown when it comes to mike bibby and the hawks.

go hawks!

by nbabuff on Nov 6, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Couple things

I’m the exact opposite of bitter. I don’t really care one way or the other. I like Johnson, Williams, Horford, and to an extent Bibby and Crawford, as players.

I still think Phoenix would have won a championship in 2005 if JJ is healthy throughout the playoff’s.

I have said for a number of years that Mike Bibby is one of the most overrated players in the NBA, and I said good riddance. (If you choose to read that, it will take you 10-15 mins probably. It is long as most of my pieces tend to be.)

So, no, I’m not bitter about Teague. I have no reason to be. While I’ll admit the Magic are my 2nd favorite team, I don’t have a problem with the Hawks. And, the Magic are championship contenders. The Hawks are not.

I think Rick Sund is a shitty GM dating back to his time in Seattle, but that’s my opinion. I don’t know if the total sum of the ownership group in Atl is terrible; I know Steve Belkin is terrible. Either way the difficulty with the ownership I think hurts this franchise as it moves forward in trying to acquire players. Especially an elite player like a LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and yadda yadda.

As far as my being bitter about losing to the Hawks? When you’re the Kings and you were probably winning 20-25 games, and you lose a game to a veteran team like the Hawks who are on track to win 50 games, I don’t get bitter about that. I know what the deal is. I’ve been a Kings fan for a long time. I know how the cycle works in the NBA. And, unlike any team in Hawks history, I’ve watched a couple of Kings teams come close to championships. (You can argue the Wilkens-Malone years as championship contenders if you like. I don’t.) I’m not really bitter about it because those are the breaks, but I do wonder what would have happened if the Kings win in 02 or 03. Surely there is a new arena now for one thing.

So bitter? Nah. Bitter is for suckerz.

Maybe Atlanta jumps up into the elite in the East. Right now that elite is populated with Boston and Orlando, and perhaps Cleveland. Maybe Atlanta is that 4th team without a doubt (right now they obviously are).

If Atlanta does make it, good on them. Right now I see too many holes with the Hawks. For one thing there isn’t as much reliable around the basket offense. Most of the offense is generated off the perimeter. In the playoffs it is very hard to win that way. Especially if you’re talking about beating Boston in a 7 game series.

With all that said, name one player on the Hawks that is better htan the following players: LeBron James (obviously nobody), Kevin Garnett (again nobody), Paul Pierce (nobody), Ray Allen (I’d take JJ over Ray at this point—but with Rondo around it’s pretty much an advantage for the C’s with Rondo vs Bibby/Teague or Crawford), Dwight Howard (duh?), Rashard Lewis (debatable), Jameer Nelson (Again, I like Meer, but is he as good as JJ? I say no), Vince Carter…..

I’ve made my point. Your faith and believe in the Hawks as a team I think ignores that the Hawks will find that the deeper teams like Boston and Orlando will provide too many matchup issue’s across the board to feel comfortable. I certainly don’t see the opportunity to exploit matchup difficulties over a 7 game series.

We will see. 6 games into the season it’s really to early to announce whose going to win a ring anyway. A lot of season to go.

All I have to say on this: Good luck in the quest to win a championship.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 7, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

There are times when..

Teague should be in over Bibby because he can keep up with the other teams PG. Bibby is a liabilty on defense…Teague would be a better option, just because he’s more athletic

by Cmart34 on Nov 6, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and it was you or someone from kings country

that mentioned something I really agree with.

bibby is at his best when he gets rest and when a team can disguise some of his defensive shortcomings.

i would much rather have an efficient bibby for 29 minutes a game and some more teague than very little teague and a tired bibby.

and if teague shows he cannot come close to filling bibby’s shoes for 12 minutes a game, then i will say fine.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 5, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It wasn't me

I’m hardly the Bibby fan of anybody there. And, I can believe that Bibby might be better and more efficient at 29 mins than at 35. In fact, I wouldn’t doubt it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 5, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it was me

i was a huge kings fan, now a hawks fan and a forever bibby fan. someone from sactown (not me) summed it up: mike bibby is a smart basketbal player who makes a difference in a lot of little ways that don’t show up in the box score.

i hope you agree with that, hawksdawgs.

by nbabuff on Nov 5, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i think his leadership skills

are very underrated.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 5, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

THIS

x100.

People clamor for stats. I lean towards leadership and making others better. I think he does a lot of that.

by Duff_Man on Nov 6, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He may do that in Atlanta

He didn’t at any point in Sacramento.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 7, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

at this point

we being hawks fans, please leave it to us to figure that out. too bad he didn’t show leadership or any other skills while he was in sacramento. obviously, he didn’t have anything to do with the kings going to the playoffs at any point.

i can see that you are NOT bitter and you have NO problem with mike bibby.

good luck to your team. and i hope that when the hawks play against the kings next time, the banner photo in your sactown royalty post won’t be that of mike bibby with mo williams. it would be nice to see a photo of the kings there.

by nbabuff on Nov 7, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't write Sactown Royalty

Take that complaint up with Tom Ziller or someone else who writes on the front page.

And, leave what to Hawks fans to figure out? Bibby’s past with Sacramento? Sure, if you like to make things up, go ahead.

Again, good luck.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 7, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks, i might take it up with tom ziller then

and please let hawks fans figure out if bibby does something good or otherwise for the hawks. what he did in sacramento doesn’t really matter to us now. that won’t help atlanta in future games in any way.

again, thanks for your time.

moving on to the game in progress. go hawks!

by nbabuff on Nov 7, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Teague isn't the #2 PG though...

the reduction in Bibby’s minutes seems to be coming more from Crawford than Teague, since we know he won’t take minutes from Joe’s mandatory 40.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 5, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It might not be better now, but in the future? Well you have to actually play Teague to find that out. In a year or two, the Hawks won’t want to have Bibby playing 35+ minutes a game. The Hawks will need a younger PG able to share the load or even be the starter. Better to find out whether Teague could fill that role now than. Plus reducing the minutes played for JJ and Bibby by playing Teague 10-15 minutes a game will pay dividends later in the year and in the playoffs when the starters will be fresher than they were the past 2 years.

by redwards95 on Nov 5, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's had the looks of a good young player so far...

good handle, quickness off the dribble, and passing. Defense is so much on effort he has the ability there if he has the want to. He needs to work on his shot, and just get the experience. But the biggest thing, in addition to the “new guy” optimism, is his speed. We have bigs—Marvin, Josh, Al, that can beat most opposing front lines up and down the court. Now, we might actually have a PG capable of pushing the pace to a level that can allow the Hawks to take advantage of their bigs.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 5, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

2-1 West Coast?

As a fan I’ll take that. Match that winning percentage at home or better (as they should) against those teams and the Hawks are on their way to a #3 seed in the East. ( Yeah I said it ! ) Think about it! It’s the West Coast! Cross country,time zone,sleep deprival. Be happy with that against the NBDL !! Take care of home, the east, and split some way with two of the three Monsters and #3 is not impossible. Besides the 4th seed is the worse seed you can get. You battle the team that fought your ass for this spot, and your guaranteed to play the #1 seed in the second round…..GO HAWKS!

" MR.24 "

by ctu24 on Nov 5, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

3 isnt impossible

Me personally, i think morris wouldnt be so horrible if he got the experince that teague is getting(or supposed to be getting). othello isnt bad but needs to see gametime too. anyone else notice othello in a suit? why?

by Hawksgirl on Nov 6, 2009 11:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs