Preview and Game Thread #5: Atlanta Hawks @ Sacramento Kings
by hawksdawgs on Nov 4, 2009 6:00 PM EST
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PrintAtlanta Hawks at Sacramento Kings, Nov 4, 2009 10:00 PM EST
| Atlanta Hawks 09-10 Season Game #5 | ||
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| 3-1 | 1-3 |
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| ARCO Arena |
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| Nov. 4th, 2009, 10:00 PM | ||
| Fox Sports South, Hawks Radio Network, NBA Audio League Pass | ||
| Probable starters: | ||
| Tyreke Evans |
PG | Mike Bibby |
| Kevin Martin |
SG | Joe Johnson |
| Desmond Mason |
SF | Marvin Williams |
| Sean May |
PF | Josh Smith |
| Spencer Hawes |
C | Al Horford |
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Hawks Injury Report: None.
Blazers Injury Report: Francisco Garcia is out.
Blogging With the Enemy: Sactown Royalty (game preview here)
Predicted bane of the Hawks existence: Kevin Martin, SoCon for life!
Game Preview:
I must admit I hate the Kings. I mean that in the best possible way. I hate how Kevin Martin shoots 20 free throws every time we play him and Andres Nocioni goes crazy and makes everyone try and Spencer Hawes does something I can't make fun of and how if the Hawks lose tonight last night no longer matters.The Kings are not fun. This is a lose/yea that's what I thought game.
I am not even going to lie, I feel bad for Mike Bibby. With Tyreke Evans at point and the second game of a back to back, Bibby does not even have someone he can pretend to guard. I expect a serious Jeff Teague sighting and a lot of Joe Johnson/Jamal Crawford backcourts tonight. Go 4-5 in 16 minutes and call it a night Mike. Your too old to waste your time with the Kings anyway.
The Hawks need to play their game. They are better. Even if a couple guys on the Kings get hot, they are still better. A full games worth of focus and energy is all it takes. This one matters as much as last night. So things that should be avoided in no particular order are letdowns, Josh jumpshots, Nocioni angry spit, and Kevin Martin's leg kick.
Keys to the game:
- Dominate on offense. The Hawks could and probably should have the advantage at every position when they are on that side of the ball.
- Keep Kevin Martin off the free throw line. Dude is crafty. Martin lives there and will probably find away but a huge night from the field is much different if you never make it to the line. 15 for 30 from the field is only 30 points if you don't foul. And I didn't even need a calculator for that math.
- Limited turnovers. See that first key? Turnovers will make that one irrelevant.
No more messing around. I am in it for the long haul tonight. All four quarters. It is my symbolic support of the Hawks doing the same. See you in the game thread.
Go Hawks!
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whoo hoo
another late game i love missing sleep we better win this one im not staying up all night for us to lose a winnable game
Interesting fact
Woody is the Godfather of Kings player -Sean May !!!
He's even starting
Just to get a little perspective on how bad things are in Sac-Town right now. It’s like the Hawks about 7 years ago.
LOL
He actually gets paid a bonus to maintain his weight..How come i never get such deals???
I am at a party right now
I am drinking hot rum cider and getting tuned up. Will be back for the game. Gonna tear it up Central PA style!
by Duff_Man on Nov 4, 2009 7:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Rum to get kick started - last night long but worth it. Can my body take more winning - lol
bk to bk nights are tough at my age.
by RivBoatGambler on Nov 4, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Recap
I will ignore all negitive aspects of lasts nights game. I do that when we lose. Crawford – great ball. ZaZa geat ball. Josh – best game closing skills and energy I have seen in awhile. JJ came bk from very bad bame to fair-good game – awesome in crunch time. Al turned it around also.
My keys for tonights game
Rest JJ early and often.
Give Teague minutes early and often.
Time for Joe Smith, ZaZa to play more with first sighting from Crawford.
Evans is our hottest shooter by the numbers so far.
Conclusion? It’s bench night for the Hawks. And why not. they are good.
Still need to get Horf his minutes and opportunities
Also, we’d really like to see Marvin get his shots going.
i hear if you look hard enough
Rathburn’s hair can cure cancer, aids, and world hunger
by Erihury on Nov 4, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm in for half
heck if hawksdawgs is promising to stay up to the end, the least i can do is don my horfina jersey and make it to half time
Yep. Gotta do it though. Last night was brutal without HD.
This year DirecTV gives you both home and away feeds for a lot of the games. I am going HD over SD every time.
apparently not
apparently it’s interview three hawks about the importance of winning on the road time
josh is already griping?
it might be a long night
that passing on ricky rubio?
probably a good thing for the kings
i am betting we will see #11 pretty early
maybe “channel zero” too
Lol Josh
He didn’t learn the lesson from his first jumpshot-ie, you didn’t deserve to make that.
Then comes the airball.
if i played in the nba
i don’t know that i would want my nickname to be a defunct discount retailer best know for hawking martha stewart dish towels and kathy ireland underwear. just sayin’
kathy irelands' underwear?
yes please!
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Bleeding Green Nation w/r/t fans overreacting to the Eagles signing of Michael Vick
Minnesota could be an educational team this year
For example, their leading scorer tonight is named Oleksiy Pecherov. Who ever heard of him?
i can see it
growing back already he is giving Horford a head start on championship beards
by Erihury on Nov 4, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I see this happening teamwide in April
“Nobody is shaving until we win a championship.”
The 2010-2011 Neanderthal Hawks will be fun to watch.
apparentlt bibby knows the rims in sacramento
this is important for some reason
teague will drive past you
“you” being the pronoun i am using for anyone.
by hawksdawgs on Nov 4, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Okay
Woody’s realizing he tried to get too much burn out of his second unit, but he still manages to make the wrong sub, here.
do you think horford is feeling the pressure of being on my fantasy bball team????
by jeherv on Nov 4, 2009 10:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Right now
Joe is the main problem Joe has. He’s either overdribbling, or he’s taking the first chance he gets to shoot.
I really think it would be beneficial for him to let the offense come to him early in games. He seemed way too determined to drive on the first few possesions, and ended up with weird looks and turnovers.
I said this during my review of the trade
JC and JJ both need the ball to creat etheir own shots, and I don’t see them creating for each other as well as you’d hope.
empty
the arco center looks emptier than philips on a wednesday mid-season game against the t-wolves
"3 defenders on joe
and he said you know what I am going to go with anyway"
not actually the best strategy
Here's the reason we don't see a lot of JJ post-ups
He has the clear advantage on Kevin MArtin, but he’s not really a great option out of the post, and the defense is going to collapse on him anytie he’s in deep position.
Don't underestimate the importance of this game
Hawks can actually keep pace with Orlando, despite their hot start, but they need to win the winnable road games.
Nah, we should be good
so long as Drew doesn’t attend this one.
by Bronn on Nov 4, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
he can toe the line a bit
but the amount of info, quotes, blogs and articles he puts out is ridiculous for a beat guy.
Well, one of your 72 reasons
just went down the toilet. Sekou was nearly top ten, right?
Underrated-one of the best NBA beats I’ve ever read.
bob does not have to clear things with a producer
is that producer blind? men with hair like that can say whatever they want.
On a back-to-back
name your top 5 guys who need to limit their minutes.
I’m guessing Josh Smith isn’t one of them.
Josh - everybody else is running in quick sand - Crawford had his moments on offense
We need front court dommination – quit it with the jumpers – attack the basket.
by RivBoatGambler on Nov 4, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
push push push the ball - we do better in helter skelter
by RivBoatGambler on Nov 4, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Helps when Josh is on the floor
his help defense sets up transition opportunities, and his athleticism in the open court is a big advantage. Playing him only 10 first half minutes doesn’t help push the pace.
I don't understand the lack of teague right now
Bibby is getting torched on D
by marvin's ladies of the night on Nov 4, 2009 11:11 PM EST reply actions
I'm actually having a tough time expressing why I'm frustrated with this Hawks' offense
They’re shooting over 50%, no one is extremely inefficient (except for Joe Smith), and the turnovers aren’t terrible.
But, honestly, the Kings are playing so poorly on defense that the Hawks really could be doing much better than they are. The only thing in the stat column that sticks out is a really low assist rate (8 assists on 24 made baskets), but give the rest of the picture, the Hawks’ offense looks really good.
our star has 4 turnovers - - like it takes a half to get warmed up - we win if he gets hot frome here - and he does it - on other nights we lose - 7-24
by RivBoatGambler on Nov 4, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
They played stagnant.
But it still worked for some reason. Joe’s game has me really mad right now. He’s been getting the ball and trying to just dribble and get his shots up. He’s becoming something of a black hole.
And it pained me like a bullet to type that.
His one assist is the same as Bibby
And he’s got 12 points on 10 shot attempts, which isn’t really bad. The only thing is that it looks like there’s so much more out there because of how bad the Kings’ defense is.
check out the +/- for our guys right now. Pretty interesting
by marvin's ladies of the night on Nov 4, 2009 11:16 PM EST reply actions
I think thats not a bad strategy
let our starters play even with other teams 1s. Let our 2s dominate their 2s
by marvin's ladies of the night on Nov 4, 2009 11:18 PM EST reply actions
basically hawks play defense and don't turn it over
they win. it should be easy. really, really easy.
We'll close strong in the 4th and take this game going away
That is one thing this team has done very well against lesser comp.
by The Human Highlight Blog on Nov 4, 2009 11:22 PM EST reply actions
nique
i for one say bibby cannot jump.
by hawksdawgs on Nov 4, 2009 11:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
if paul pierce was skinny
on a horrible team.
and went to a mid major instead of Kansas.
he probably would be Martin.
they're too boring
defense is only for the 4th quarter
i heart Marvin
but blackhole Joe is going to have to stop going 1 on 5
compared to marvin being awesome, it is small
but does joe not know he is going to run into other people if he just dribbles around the court?
We aren't playing bad,
but why aren’t we killing them?
by coachkcastellon on Nov 4, 2009 11:39 PM EST reply actions
This ain't Zaza's night
He’s not rebounding nearly as well as he needs to, and he’s almost a non-factor on defense against the type of bigs that Sacramento plays. He really needs to benched for the 4th.
Beno is owning Zaza like Yankess on Phillies
Take Zaza out
by coachkcastellon on Nov 4, 2009 11:50 PM EST reply actions
We are gonna have to play D for like 5 possessions straight or we will lose
by coachkcastellon on Nov 4, 2009 11:54 PM EST reply actions
I am beside myself.
And my pants are wet.
by Duff_Man on Nov 4, 2009 11:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Keep feeding Al
He can be a hungry hippo sometimes
by coachkcastellon on Nov 4, 2009 11:58 PM EST reply actions
Duff beer goggles must be on tonight
I like dem Heat girlz
by coachkcastellon on Nov 5, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing like
JJ proving his haters wrong with silent daggers
Really don't know why Horf hasn't topped 30 minutes in thsi game
On the surface, he matches up well with the Kings’ bigs, and it’s not like he needed a rest off a back-to-back. Hawks really need to take control of the boards.
You seen Zaza with his shorts up?
lookin ridiculous and amusing mo
Evans missing FTs
just like Calipari taught him
by coachkcastellon on Nov 5, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
That about freaked me out
I thought one too many guys passed up a good look, there. Was going to pound something if Crawford missed that 3.
2 big Al plays to ice the game
after Joe let them back in it
by coachkcastellon on Nov 5, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Rebound totals:
johnson: 8
bibby: 7
josh smith: 6
horford: 5
williams: 6
joe smith: 4
Weird
Anyone see that next to last possession? JJ got trapped, ball was tipped to Bibby, and it was passed straight back to Joe in the exact same spot. He was on the verge of being trapped again before he finally got moving toward the basket.
Iso-Joe is bad
passing and teamwork, along with jamal’s hot hand are what won us the game. Not isolations and lousy unopen 3’s when no one is near the basket. We have to learn our lessons here. We would’ve lost to anyone but the kings tonight
by coachkcastellon on Nov 5, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
If the Hawks would ever play defense before the 4th quarter
It would probably help my blood pressure
Another long game.
I am yet again floored by the fact that this team showed a resolve we’ve not seen in the past. Sign of a better team? I think it may be a great sign for the season.
We should've won by 20
if we played better team basketball and cut down on turnovers
by coachkcastellon on Nov 5, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
James Varrett with
a very dumb first question. 2 wins in a back to back on the road and he complains about the Defense with the first question to Joe. Anyone but Joe would have chewed him out
by marvin's ladies of the night on Nov 5, 2009 12:25 AM EST reply actions
Josh needs to play better
more boards and less fouls/airballs
by coachkcastellon on Nov 5, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Josh played really well
Just limited by his fouls. only problem I have is he missed 2 free throws.
If you want more from him than 14 points on 9 shot attempts, 6 boards, 3 assists, 4 blocks, and 0 turnovers in 29 minutes, you’ve set your expectations way too high.
Interestingly, JJ played really well in the 4th quarter
But he was definitely gassed at the end. He needs to get a bit more of a break in Charlotte.
With JC helping carry some of the offensive load, JJ should dominate most 4th qtrs. He still
kicks the ball out too late when he is doubled and he never tries to split the double.
we need a scapegoat
why wasn’t this game easier i blame Woody and Kevin Martin damn you to hell this should have been easier. Mike Woodsen should be our permanent scapegoat
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