New Orleans Hornets 96, Atlanta Hawks 88 or three pointers are worth a lot of points
It only took three losses, but opponents now have a clear understanding of how to beat the Atlanta Hawks. Drill three pointers at a clip your team will not see the rest of the season and force long jumpers by the Hawks. Considering how well the Hawks have played, it is tough to look at this game as anything other than aberration. The Hornets shot 12% higher from three than from the free throw line. The Hawks shot 18% from three, 37% for the game. It was horrible. It was ugly. The team looked exhausted. It made me tired just watching them.They could not run where they have run all season, they could not rotate with that extra step they have when it counted. It was treading water all game. There were no spurts. No runs. Just survival, and at some point, the three pointers are going to rain down enough to drown you.
Woodson had some questionable decisions, the refs made some questionable calls, Joe Johnson took some questionable shots, but down seven with two minutes to go, Joe Johnson drove the ball and was fouled. The lead could have been cut to five, but there was no call and the result was another run out three pointer for the Hornets. A fresh and focused Hawks would have whined about the call a little less, fought for the offensive rebound a little harder, got back on defense a little faster, but tonight, none of that was there. Considering how faithful the Hawks have been all season in those areas, a small reprieve may be necessary.
It is a small reprieve though. Like until Thursday. Because this Hawks team already has set new expectations, 82 wins are not expected, but 82 strong efforts are. This game is over. A new one game season begins soon. The Hawks can be elite if they can isolate games like these, learn from them, move on, and beat a team like the Magic on national tv.
Go Hawks!
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I mentally prepared myself for this letdown
We scrapped to the very end against Houston and I knew Friday night that we’d be in trouble on Saturday. After scrapping with the Rockets for two hours, they boarded a flight for New Orleans. I’m sure Woody didn’t cancel practice. He needs to start thinking about these things when his players on just off of a grueling back-to-back. He needs flexibility in his planning. The Hornets shouldn’t be too damn happy because even with all those 3s, and the Hawks shooting dreadful from the field, they still didn’t blow us out. That’s encouraging. However, I’m not going to be this forgiving come Thursay. We’re up against another three point shooting team. Hopefully they’ll be off and hopefully VC will miss the plane. For some reason, I just don’t like him. The way he looks after he makes a shot makes me ill. Anyway, Go Hawks!!!! You get a pass…..this time.
by dstdeelite on Nov 22, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
One thing I do like is
they never gave up. They gave all they had, which wasn’t much, until the final horn. I like that Marvin is still being aggressive. JC kept us afloat. We need to back to controlling the paint. That’ll be a tall order come Thursday. One thing I have noticed about Orlando is that they leave the rebounding duties to Dwight. If we can somehow neutralize him, we stand a chance. If they go with the plan that blew us out last time, he’ll surely be the help defense on Joe. That means Joe needs to recognize that and pass out of the double team QUICKLY. Somebody has to be left open. It doesn’t seem like rocket science. To be honest, I would have much rather our streak ended with NO than Orlando. The media won’t make that big a deal of it, especially if we beat Orlando. We have got to find a way to beat this team. A win against them would be a major confidence booster. We’ve done it before. Why can’t we do it again? This would be a great night for a 50 point effort from Jamal. Is a 50 point effort off the bench unheard of?
God,
If you’re listening, please let Bibby be back and ready to go on Thursday. I know how we talk about him being old and slow. We’re sorry for saying such mean things about him. I know somebody on here once said that the other PG’s run past him like he’s standing still. I’m sure they meant that in the most positive way. We just want another week atop the Power Rankings. We’ve been so heartbroken over this team for the last few years and we just want a little shine for a change. We ask all of this with a humbled heart. Amen
by dstdeelite on Nov 22, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
any update
is it just a mild sprain or is it serious enough to keep him outta the game on Thursday
by Erihury on Nov 22, 2009 11:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was half asleep
but at like a.m. ESPN showed it and it looked like he stepped on someone’s foot. Not good!
by Co Co on Nov 22, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Still upset with Josh Smith
For 13 games he’s been among the NBA’s most valuable. He said his goals were to be an All-Star and all-NBA defense, and that means working every night. Sure, he might have been tired, but he’d only played 24 minutes the night before, not like Marvin, who had just played 40 minutes and still working his ass off.
Too many times we saw Josh strolling up and down the court. He still had a solid overall stat line, because even a Josh who’s barely trying is still just so damn talented, but he was out of position all night on defense (a fact that I’m certain got him benched during the second quarter), and he barely attacked the post on offense. Occasionally, we’d see one possession worth of actual fire, and I’d think “Okay, here’s the spark, he’s awake now,” but two possessions later, you’d see him walk (not even JOG!) up/down the floor, for all the world as if he was forced to be there.
The sad thing was, Joe Smith showed exactly why Josh Smith is a huge part of this team. Without playing particularly poorly, he was unable to stop anyone defensively, contributed nothing offensively in 11 minutes, coming down with 3 boards-Hawks were -17 with him on the floor, which, hey, is double the margin of victory.
Josh could won this game nearly by himself if he’d been anywhere near his energy level from the previous 13 games. Think about this-Hawks shot 37.2% from the floor, and still only lost by 8. Josh was 4-8 from the inside, 0-4 on his jumpshots, and got to the line 4 more times. David West can’t guard him, and when he’s out of the game, it’s even more grim for New Orleans, with either Darius Songaila or Hilton Armstrong matched up against Josh. This was a game ripe for him to drop 35 points and 15 boards.
/end diatribe.
by Bronn on Nov 22, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good points
When you look at it that way, it’s very disappointing…….If anybody could have mustered up enough umph, this game could have been won. We lost by 8 freakin points…Smoove can get that sleep walking. I just hope Bibby is ok. Now we see what his does for this team. He is the general who keeps the troops in line.
by dstdeelite on Nov 22, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bourbon Street got the best of them...
Waiting to see pictures… but they flew to NOLA after the game Friday, staying downtown, so you know they went out. Pretty much expect this as a result.
by JRod1229 on Nov 22, 2009 12:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Smoove is so talented
I dare you to name a power forward in the league that can guard him one on one. If he would realize that, he’d be dangerous. I know they didn’t get any calls their way last night, but to be fair NO had tons of turnovers that we failed to capitalize on. Hands down we could have won that game. Josh needs to make the refs non-calls his motivation. Get mad and take it out on the rim. What’s so frustrating is we all know he can play at a high level. We’ve see it for 13 games. Come on dude!!! I’ve met his girlfriend a couple of times. I’m tempted to tell her what we’re saying on these blogs. So damn frustrating!
by dstdeelite on Nov 22, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Garnett, Duncan...
Kenyon Martin, Tyrus Thomas, among a handful of others. Josh is good, and playing well, but “name a power forward in the league that can guard him one on one”, he ain’t that good offensively. His best ability is if he can take that athleticism, and add hustle. He has skills, but it’s that athleticism that is elite.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 22, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with any of those you named
Maybe two years ago for KG, Duncan, and K-Mart, but not today. Not with Smoove playing at a high level.
by dstdeelite on Nov 22, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's was bound to happen
When you have the top record teams want to bring you down. Championship teams who win on a consistent basis have systems in place and i’m still trying to figure out what the hawks system is.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
by maxxj3 on Nov 22, 2009 1:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Woodson doesn't comit to a system
by coachkcastellon on Nov 22, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and you don't commit to spellcheck
Let's push this bird out of the nest.
by Yes I Am A Hawks Fan on Nov 23, 2009 5:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
something to look at
“G Joe Johnson played monster minutes Friday night against Houston and again Saturday night against the Hornets. Coach Mike Woodson promised he would steer clear of playing his captain those sorts of minutes this season, but he couldn’t help himself.”
(Yahoo! Sports)
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
by maxxj3 on Nov 22, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Woodson needs to have the balls to sit Joe when Joe takes and misses awful long jumpers
But he doesn’t. It’s as simple as that, and it’s gonna burn out or injure Joe before Woodson will ever learn
by coachkcastellon on Nov 22, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Teague and Evans need to play more..
cause JC is getting minutes.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 22, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Teague needs to start making more (any?) shots before he gets major minutes. You want to develop your young talent but you also don’t want to have a black hole in your offense for 20 minutes a game. The Hawks would have brought back Mario if they wanted that.
by redwards95 on Nov 23, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bibby out early - only played five minutes
Time for Teague to step up. Time for Teague to show he’s ready for solid minutes. Time for Coach Mike to show he is commited to using his new bench depth.
Teague played five minutes.
Way to use your bench Woody.
by axhfan on Nov 22, 2009 2:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Another version of recap.
We won the battle of turn overs, we won the rebound battle.
Josh and Al were 9-22
Okafor and West 8-24
I would say we won the battle of the post.
We did lose the assist race, Josh had 7 of our 15 assists
Marvin and Stojakovic were pretty much a wash.
A couple of rookie guards. Thorton/Collison went for 17-29
Our star guards went JJ/Jamal went 14-39
A rookie Collison had 11 on his own with the rest of the NO team chipping in for another 11.
JJ and Jamal should ask Collison for advice on passing
Moral to the story? ISO, one on one, halfcourt, guard oriented jumpshooting, no ball movement no passing fatigued team will get you a loss.
Why we don’t give the rock to our post players at least 30-35 times a game, every game, is beyond me. Clearly the post is the strength of our team – why not pass it to them.
As posted before, where would these post shots come from? 3 pt shooting. Yep a whopping 4-22.
by RivBoatGambler on Nov 22, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hawks think they're a good shooting team
Numbers just not bearing it out-32.9% on the year. But none of them seems to have a problem with going 4-22 from 3. If you check a lot of the quotes, they talk about cold shooting, but there’s no one saying they can’t just settle for jumpshots all the time. Even in the quotes, you’ll catch Woodson or Jamal or Josh saying that this team can shoot the basketball…but it’s not in evidence just yet.
by Bronn on Nov 22, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of it is Joe insisting on getting extraordinary minutes every game and getting his shots so his ppg stays high. He wants a good year so he has a good free agency coming up. And of course Woody won’t tell him what to do.
by coachkcastellon on Nov 22, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im not that pissed at the lost, you win some you lose some
But breakout year or not woody needs to trust his bench amd bench jj until he gets hot. Play him a few minutes a quarter if he cant get hot. He needs to take control. I understand that a winner wants the ball when the game is on the line but it was on the line since the first quarter. JJ as capt. should have gave it up to the hot man(which was…… )
by Hawksgirl on Nov 23, 2009 9:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
which was
Al and Marvin. Josh was not any colder than JJ and Jamal and he had 7 of our 15 assists with 10 rebounds. Josh played much better than JJ and Jamal. On the road it is tougher to make shots. Give the rock to the bigs, they shoot shots closer to the rim.
Al was 5-10. with 2 assists. Jamal was 8-21 with 1 assist. Jamal needs to be driving and feeding Al instead of jacking up jumpers. 2-9
Who else was hot besids Al? Marvin was 8-16.
Lets recap Marvin and Al were 13-26. JJ and Jamal 14-39
by RivBoatGambler on Nov 23, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
no big deal
The Hawks figure to lose at least 20 road games, so I just chalk this game up as one of them. Coming on a back-to-back after a difficult win at home vs Houston and with Bibby leaving early to injury, there’s little reason to get bent out of shape about this one. When you win 7 in a row, odds are you are going to turn in a clunker shortly thereafter. The last couple weeks have been very fun to be a Hawks fan and I expect no different from the rest of the year.
by redwards95 on Nov 23, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thank YOU!
Nice to read a voice of reason. Everybody wants to be a coach, and most could’nt coach a marble shooting team. I agree. Let Woody do his job and chill out. All these lineup changes everyone is suggesting SUCKS!! No one is taking in account for chemistry & continuance of who’s on the floor.
" MR.24 "
by ctu24 on Nov 23, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wanna talk about chemistry
Bibby has chemistry with everyunit and so does jj but when mike continues to run the starters ragid, ex. josh walking up the court, things get out of hand and cant be fixed in that particular game. Especially josh, when he gets mad he screws himself and sometimes the team up, when smooth gets mad he attacks the rim big difference. Basically we need woody to do what he did in houston, bench JOSH when he gets that attitude and bring him back when he comes to his senses. but that aside, woody hasnt been bad.
by Hawksgirl on Nov 24, 2009 10:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
not trying to be the coach
Just trying to understand him…….its getting sorta clear
by Hawksgirl on Nov 24, 2009 10:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs

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