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Atlanta Hawks 105, Houston Rockets 103 or Marvin and the good Joshettes

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Sooooooo to recap, Josh Smith can dunk and he can put forth effort, and just those two things can literally win games.

The idea that the Hawks are not just lucky. That they are not simply over achieving. The belief that every game is one more mockery of preseason projections. For you people, us people, tonight was a good night. No one ever thought Marvin was struggling at the same rate Josh was excelling, but everyone knows Josh is succeeding without any new skills that don't exist between the ears. So seeing Marvin move far beyond what we expect, it articulates a hope even Hawks fans have yet to be able to articulate. Atlanta can be better, and when those who have made us better so far this season fall short, we have other guys capable of stepping up.

I understand people who think Marvin can be used better in Atlanta. I get that others wish we drafted someone else. I see how his seeming lack of fire can turn people off. However, you can't not like Marvin Williams the person. You just can't. And if you do, no one likes you the person. Go watch the Marvin Williams halftime interview. Then, I challenge you to say something bad about him ever again.The guy has shown up at 8 am every morning of this home stand to knock himself out of his slump, and tonight it paid off. Marvin destroyed for the first two quarters. He was inside, outside, get out of my way I am going ignore the rim for a half hour as I put up the easiest 20 in the history of the world.

The Joe Johnson over dribble into a jumper that allowed for a put back dunk by Marvin Williams followed by a steal and Joe unselfishly giving up the ball for an Al Horford assist pretty much sums up the game. Explain it? You can't. Love it? You can't help but do it.

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  • I love how much Joe Smith enjoys the game from the bench.
  • Screw that, I love how much Josh Smith enjoys the game from the bench.
  • "Cooking with grease" is in the top 15 of basketball phrases. Way ahead of "heat check."
  • The Hawks drafted David Anderson seven years ago? I don't mean to ask that to prove my ignorance but to demonstrate how shocked I am that 2002 was seven years ago.
  • Teague plays good defense and still fails to stop buckets. It makes you realize there is more than good defense to good defense, and by that I mean clever fouling.
  • Zaza running over David Anderson for a blocking foul is the definition of my ideal.
  • Joe pressed. Joe was good. Joe shot bad shots. Joe was awesome. Joe was Joe.
  • The Hawks out blocked the Rockets 11 to 0.
  • Offensive rebounds by Houston made the end of this game necessary.
  • Josh Smith not getting a technical in this game might be the best evidence that he is a changed man. Not that they were bad calls but because he used to be bad Josh Smith and bad Josh did not care if the calls were good or not. 
  • Trevor Ariza looks like an incredible role player. That is not a compliment if you are a Rockets fan.
  • I thought all Jamal Crawford's points were loud. They are not. That was a quiet 21 on almost 50% shooting.
  • Jeff Teague where did you go in the second half?
  • There is no call I hate and love so equally than the illegal screen.
  • How big of a homer am I? I would still like that Marvin Williams loose ball foul/shove at the end of 4th to be a no call. 
  • Minus the last five seconds. That was a horrible end for the Hawks, but the Hawks are running right. They only need five seconds.

Go Hawks!

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Not draft Marv?

I’ve come to accept drafting Marvin over CP3. If we had drafted Paul we would have won more games earlier and never been able to get Horford.

by axhfan on Nov 21, 2009 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

Ariza

When you write "Trevor Ariza is an incredible “roll player.” do you mean “roll” as in the pick and roll, or possibly “role” as in “role” player?

by Jeremiah88 on Nov 21, 2009 1:19 AM EST reply actions  

ahhh the two rolls/roles

gets me every time. thanks for the fix.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 21, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

well i take it back then

that express is no where near as cool as i thought.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 21, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

We can let it slide...

you posted pretty late and mistakes are to be expected, especially ones where spellcheck won’t figure out you used a good word in the wrong place

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 21, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm cautious...

A team like this, with quick, driving guards, is going to give us trouble all year. The other thing that will give up trouble is a dominating big man.

So…that means Orlando, Cleveland, San Antonio with Parker, Lakers, perhaps Milwaukee—haven’t seen Jennings, is he a shooter or a driver?—will give us headaches. That will test Woody’s situational coaching—TEAGUE would be the guy to play to guard Brooks or Parker. Will he do it?

Ultimately I think a lot is still to be determined, but 54-58 wins looks do-able to me. Man, i would take that!!!

by rbubp on Nov 21, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

thing is though,...

there will never be one spot on the floor where we shouldn’t have an advantage. So teams with quick guards, or a dominant big, we can likely counter with our own superiority elsewhere. If we play our game, and play it well, there is no game we can’t win. That’s not to say we’ll win every game, but just that we are capable of winning against anyone.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 21, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Only if we are very improved in help defense.

I get what you are saying, but watch the Spurs game at Atlanta last season to see how hard it is to overcome a defensive weakness as pronounced as having to guard Tony Parker with AL HORFORD.

by rbubp on Nov 21, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Killed on the boards

Was that because Josh was out for so long because of foul trouble? I don’t like when Marvin is our leading scorer AND rebounder.

by Rebel33322 on Nov 21, 2009 2:11 AM EST reply actions  

i wish

woody would learn a player you bench because of 5 fouls is just as worthless as a fouled out player in the 4th quarter. Come on Woody, at least get our BEST player in the last 2 MINUTES of the game. Other than that, good win. GO HAWKS!

by CoxXx on Nov 21, 2009 5:06 AM EST reply actions  

we found marvin!!!!

wow, someone finally lit a match and marv caught fire! Josh Smith…..enough said. But, the games will only get harder and more effort will be needed.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Nov 21, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

Does anybody else

see the hawks winning 60 games?

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Nov 21, 2009 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

i think somewhere in the mid 50s remains possible

with high 50’s being very optimistic. and 60 being something really, really special. but the hot start makes me care much more about what seed the Hawks are verses final record. if they win 52 and are the 2nd or 3rd seed that is a heck of a season in my book.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 21, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

darn

skippy

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Nov 21, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

We had a hot start last year then fell off. I’m still afraid that this is just another hot start.

by axhfan on Nov 21, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

True only if we stay healthy

and every game somebody is hot will we have a chance

by coachkcastellon on Nov 21, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I love Marvin

Just like you said, when you hear him talk, you can’t help but to like him. He seems respectful at all times. It’s just nice to see. Even when he struggles, I always look for him to put in 110% to bounce back. That was definitely a statement game for him. Good job, Marvin!! Go Hawks!!

by dstdeelite on Nov 21, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

I have always loved marvin

Never doubted his talent and he is respectful and encourages his teammates nonstop even when he was off

by Hawksgirl on Nov 21, 2009 11:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

We have 11 wins in November.

Remember when we had 13 wins in April?

Man do I love this season’s Hawks.

by Duff_Man on Nov 21, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

Eventually

I’m going to wonder what we could do if our entire starting five is shooting well on the same night.

by Bronn on Nov 21, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

to be truthful

the hawks are doing pretty good but dont get to cocky guys i still think you guys will be a 4th seed in the east and that orlando will win the division… im more impressed with them than with your team to be frank since there only a game behind you guys but they had massive injuries ans suspensions…. i think if you guys are lucky and have no serious injuries you might get around 52-56 wins and might bet out cleveland for the 3rd seed…..

by doublettoluca on Nov 21, 2009 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

Gee, thanks for the buzzkill.

Can we enjoy a moment? I mean, really. This team won 26 games three years ago and 13 games the year before. I think we all know this is probably a little too good to be true.

by rbubp on Nov 21, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

lol... my bad

sorry about that but to be truthful i do think you guys are good, and can do some damage in the playoffs but in a 7 game series against the big 3 i highly doubt you will beat orlando (you guys dont match up well) might have a small chance of beating cleveland, and have a decent chance of beating boston( for some reason you guys match up great with boston)

by doublettoluca on Nov 21, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

none of the big three looks as good as they did last year

just don’t see the low man of that group at 59 wins like last year. still, i agree breaking into the top 3 will be very hard, but each of those teams has championship aspirations and payrolls way over ours. so to be in the conversation is a pretty good place to be. so far only history is on your side (which is a pretty big thing to have on your side :) ) because the Hawks have been the best team in the east this year.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 21, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you hawksdawgs...

Boston may or may not be able to play at the same level in April as they are in December. That age thing can creep up on you, plus I’m just not worried about them. Orlando has the injury issues that need to be cleared up, and Cleveland also has continuity issues to overcome. I think we can break in the top 3 as one of them will not be able to maintain that level by the end of the year.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 21, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i felt the same way 2 or 3 years ago when the big 3 were boston cleveland and detroit although i felt orlando was better than cleveland and even had a better record than the but orlando did not have that expluture or lebron james
to be truthful its hard to be respected when your a small market like orlando and atlanta because all you hear about is boston,cleveland and lakers you guys remind me of a orlando magic team of 3 years back underapreciated
but i think the suns are the best team in the nba right now…..

by doublettoluca on Nov 21, 2009 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

i think you might be right

although i just put the lakers at the top of the power rankings. still, i think the suns are built even less for a 7 game series than the hawks.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 21, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

atlanta actually is a huge market

one of the best for nba in the country as far as tv goes. just too many transplants. although that theory has never been tested against an elite team.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 21, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

“to be truthful its hard to be respected when your a small market like orlando and atlanta”

doublettoluca, 11:43

by rbubp on Nov 21, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

um...

i was talking about cleveland being a small market i never said that… yea i said that orlando and atalnta are small markets…..

by doublettoluca on Nov 21, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

You realize that Atlanta is far larger than Orlando and Cleveland, right?

You implied that Cleveland was a “large market” by talking of Atl and Orl being small but not mentioning Cle despite speaking of them earlier. FYI, Orlando and Cleveland are about the same size. Helping alleviate the confusion about sizes of cities:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

by rbubp on Nov 21, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

yea thats true the suns are like the rams of the late 90’s fun to watch but there not a championship team because of defense i cant wait for the orlando magic atlanta hawks game on thurday but it’s kinda of crappy cause we have to play a back to back but both games are nationally televised :)

by doublettoluca on Nov 21, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

We won't really know anything until we see the top teams play each other.

You just can’t tell a lot from regular season games against the middling and bottom teams. Next time the Hawks play Boston will tell us much more about both teams; until then the jury is out.
I am intrigued and excited to see how the Hawks fare against Cleveland and Orlando. They should have everyone’s attention…which right there means there will be more at stake.

by rbubp on Nov 21, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

im sorry...

I can’t let that pass. Around here in hawk land, the hawks ARE the best team in the NBA! And quite frankly the Suns are doing nothing different than previous years. They are not impressive.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Nov 21, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

for how long because i highly dont that the hawks will be the best team for much longer….

by doublettoluca on Nov 21, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

If you really believe that...

all we can do is thank you for your support; lord knows the Hawks need it with Atl’s pathetic “fans.”

All this talk of who is the best is absurdly premature, however. You must know that.

by rbubp on Nov 21, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

hawks territory...

I mean i agree the suns are impressive just like orlando but there is always a way to take it to the big dawgs no matter the team. but for now, the hawks are the better team in my book

by Hawksgirl on Nov 21, 2009 7:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

i think the hawks will be a top 5-7 team in the nba but im not quite sure if there gonna be the best team in the nba for long….

by doublettoluca on Nov 21, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

and now that the hornets beat you guys which really suprised me you guys are no longer the best team in the nba….

by doublettoluca on Nov 22, 2009 12:54 AM EST reply actions  

because most teams win every game...

let’s face it, this year there is the Lakers, and then everyone else. By the end of the year, Atlanta will likely be right there amongst the top of “everyone else”.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 22, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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