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Quotes and links to back up my long held belief that Joe Johnson should not blog

Joe Johnson reacts to wins and loses worse than a blogger. Hawks win big and he is drunk off optimism in the post game. Lose...ever, and he is ready to cry in the corner.

"I thought we were past this but I was wrong," said Johnson, who torched the Lakers for 18 points in the first nine minutes of the game and finished with a team-high 27. "We still complain too much. To be honest, we just didn't have the effort needed to do this right. If shots aren't falling we stand around. We think offense more than defense. And you're not going to win in this league like that."

You "thought we were past this"  two days ago right after you knew we weren't five days before just before you were so pumped about the offseason, immediately after you knew we have a long way to go when the Cleveland season was over. If Joe is frustrated with Josh Smith taking jumpers, say it. If he is upset, he got taken out of the game on fire, name it. Does he want Jamal Crawford to defend better? Call it out. Whatever it is, name the freaking elephant. These vague swings of emotion just come off as empty words from a guy who either refuses to name or does not recognize the real problems. The man does exactly what bloggers are not suppose to do, generalize anger into politically correct whiny talk.

Maybe the naming of the problem is such an issue for Joe because he is part of the problem. Luckily, Bret is a blogger who is neither whiny nor politically correct.

I think the cause-and-effect relationship between standing around and shots not falling may, in fact, be the reverse of that which Mr. Johnson states. Of the seven field goals he made during his 18 point first quarter explosion, five were assisted by a teammate. It's a lot easier to get a good look in transition, on the move without the basketball, or when the ball's moving out of a double-team than it is by dribbling in isolation against multiple, set defenders.

I am not saying Joe is to blame for this loss. I would yell and scream and write mean letters until the cows came home that the Lakers are better and the Hawks turned it over too much. Those are team faults. And I understand that players are asked questions and give canned answers more often than I talk on the phone. Reading post-game quotes like Shakespeare is misplaced time and effort. But the fact remains, leaders don't generalize. They name the problems, and then lead the team toward a solution. And if you complain about the same general ideas of effort all the time, well, why complain at all?

(Update: After Co Co's excellent comments in response to this post, I think I was being a bit emotional originally. A laundry list of complaints is never the way to go for any leader in any profession, but more accurately, I think general critiques that show some self awareness of the reoccurring issues with this team would be better than Joe's "woe is me for having to lose the same way again with THIS team and then throw out arbitrary words like 'hustle'.")

Star-divide

Looking back at the keys to the game.

  1. Hawks shoot more free throws. Atlanta has to be the more aggressive team. Period.
  2. Mike Bibby breaks out. He hates the Lakers. Might as well show it with a good game.
  3. No Black Mamba. I am fine with Kobe Bryant going for 28. Just not 40. Most people say that they are fine with a team's best player getting his and they will shut down the other guy. Kobe is not one of those guys. He will beat you by himself.
  4. Ball movement. The Hawks will probably go down big at some point this game. Just like first two, they cannot panic and deteriorate to out athleting the other guy in one on one basketball. If the team plays within themselves, they should have a chance to win in the fourth quarter. That is refreshing to write and mean it. 
  5. Zaza gives his best minutes of this short season. We need his rebounds and we need his defensive annoyance focused squarely at Andrew Bynum.

1. Yes by one free throw, but the Hawks were far less aggressive than the Lakers. Especially in the pivotal third quarter where everyone from Marvin to Joe to Josh were settling for jumpers. And that was of course when they were fortunate enough to not turn the ball over.

2. Bibby tried to save the third quarter for us. (Ed. note, Mike Bibby is no longer good enough to save games.)

3. Kobe Bryant, 41 points.

4. I honestly think this is the Hawks biggest problem. And execution problems are coaching problems. Plain and simple.

5. He fouled the crap out of some people which was nice.

Comment of the game thread from Bronn:

"Josh with his 6th jump shot tonight. And ‘Nique thinks he’s uncomfortable. He’s way, way, too comfortable."

Go Hawks!

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I agree with Joe.

Hey Hawksdawgs..I would have to agree with Joe here. This is the first away game of the season, so he can move from optimism on a home game to pessimism on the team on an away game. Giving the Hawks past, home and away games are mutually exclusive.
Please after all the silence from Joe, I love the new vocal Joe. Say something …ANYTHING!!

by dkrib on Nov 2, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

I am not a huge "vocal Joe" fan. Here's why...

When other team leaders are vocal, they use a little more tact. Joe tends to speak as if he is yelling at 13 year olds for egging his house. Now being on the same team as Josh Smith is sometimes the equivalent of having a 13-year old, but still I think Joe needs to chose his words a little better.

What I would like from Joe is more intangible leadership. Run over and help fallen teammates. Get pumped when Bibby hits a three. Get excited for Smith dunks. Gather the team in the huddles and pay attention. I am a big believer that the little things like that eventually add up to big things and a better team concept.

Will say this though: JJ has every right to be mad about last night. He was headed for an epic night and it was derailed by Woodson.

by Duff_Man on Nov 2, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Not that I’m defending JJ, but do you really think that saying Smoove is a brat would make him play any better? I tend to think not.

by dstdeelite on Nov 2, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

Not what I meant exactly.

Smith can turn on a dime. He needs to be treated delicately.

by Duff_Man on Nov 2, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I second that

I agree. Everyone’s not all robots and there are many that cannot be handled in the same manner that others are. By no means am I saying that he should have his a** kissed, but Smoove is an emotional player. You tap into that and use it for your team’s motivation and teach him how to effectively use his anger and frustration on the court. That’s what a real leader would do.

by Hawks Fan From Day One on Nov 4, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

BLAME WOODSON AGAIN !

Jeeze guys!!
Why are we talking as if the reason the Hawks loss was bcos Joe went out of the game. The last time I checked, it was turnover and sloppy play that led to the loss. What do you want Woody to do? Play Joe for 40 minutes straight bcos he is hot and then not have him for the end of the game?
The Hawks were in the game in the 3rd quarter way after the substitution in the 1st quarter… Give it up.!!!
PS: I LOVE THIS LOSS.. IT FORCES CHANGES WHICH MEANS YOU WILL SEE A BETTER TEAM OVER THE NEXT FEW ROAD GAMES.A CLOSE LOSS WOULD HAVE CREATED A FALSE HOPE…

by dkrib on Nov 2, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

i said the turnovers were the reason

but the hawks were very good with the ball all of last season.

joe continues to publicly show he has a very ineffective (in my eyes) way of criticizing the team. since i never brought it up (unlike say Josh’s jump shooting), i did today for new conversation. anyone could perfectly easily say it is a good method or it only matters what he says behind clothes doors, or i am reaching for post early in the season. but if you complain about effort and team direction after every loss, and nothing changes, and other real problems are never mentioned, it raises questions for me. (but maybe if i am being honest, it just rub me the wrong way.)

and as far as woodson taking joe out, it did not lose the game, but it was so inexplicable one has to mention it.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 2, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad night for the Hawks

but a good night for Bronn, getting comment of the game thread here and beating me to a mention of Josh Smith’s jump shot relapse in the first half on the Daily Dime Live chat.

by Hoopinion on Nov 2, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

I think

 Joe is going to be very vocal this year. He’s playing for a contract and his money is going to be directly tied to this team’s success. Where it may have been not so much acceptable, but brushoffable (yes I made up a ridiculous word) to lose a game like this last season, that is no longer the case. Joe is playing for Millions of dollars and he can’t stand around and watch these guys give a half assed effort. Let’s just hope those “What we aren’t doing” complaints don’t turn into “what they aren’t doing” complaints. I know you want him to be specific, but I don’t know if that type of approach will go over well with this bunch. While Joe is the Hawks “best” player, he is not infallible and there are some things he could do during the course of the game to make things easier on himself and his teammates. While it makes sense to us and every other basketball knowledgeable person that there should be movement without the ball, we must acknowledge what kind of offense these guys are accustomed to running. Y’all know what I’m talking about, the Joe Johnson iso. If the other players have no reason to believe they are getting the ball what’s their motivation to run around the court? The system is still flawed and needs fixing. I think the thing that’s most telling is the fact that they are more willing to play as one unit against lesser teams, than they are against the better teams. Shouldn’t it be the other way around?

by Co Co on Nov 2, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

i agree with you co co

and bring up a good point that my moderately emotional post brushed aside.

you cannot come in after a loss and laundry list specific screw ups. that is not going to work with anyone in any job.

i get tired of joe’s barometer status check in his post game quotes. we are there. we aren’t there. i thought we were there, we are not there.

and at the very least, i would love some self awareness in his general critique. hustle and defense were the issue last night? tough to agree with that.

i think it was turnovers and the fact that on the road under woodson, if the hawks go down big they digress to worse than iso joe but one on one joe.

i guess I would much rather hear joe use generals like “we need to play as a team when we go down big.” or “we each have our roles and we need to play that team game and sometimes I don’t do that because i want to win so bad” or just “no one took care of the basketball tonight, including me, and i will take care of that in practice tomorrow.”

instead, we get “woe is me for having to deal with this kind of loss again.”

by hawksdawgs on Nov 2, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It seems to me

that every player to a man is great at identifying the problems on this team, yet no one offers any solutions. No one vows to change this or that. I mean, are there extra suicides being run for careless turnovers? Is there anything being done to let it be known that such behavior will not be tolerated?
I guess we’ll never know.

by Co Co on Nov 2, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

Hawksdawg I have to disagree.....

w/ you. JJ is correct in his approach. I think he realizes now is not the time to make the same mistakes just like last season. We all expect a little more maturity from the 09-10 Atlanta Hawks. He doesn’t have to call anyone out by name in the media(a huge no-no), even though the media would love it as well as the fans for discussion reasons, but he knows better than anyone else if someone is not giving 100% So go ahead and address it now. If there is no improvement call a players only meeting etc. Teams get blowed out on the road all the time. No big deal. Now the next game to me is the big deal. How does the players along w/ Woody respond? Now if I’m a Hawk , I’m looking at L.A. as an example. L.A. just got spanked by Dallas but they came back and won their next game like most good teams do. If the Hawks can do the same against Portland this Laker loss will be forgotten and we would have a good possibilty to finish this road trip @ 3-1.

by xavip on Nov 2, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

in response to you and maxxj

i very well may be wrong on this subject, and i certainly agree that one loss is a big deal. so i will give on final clarification and then say i may be wrong and bowl out.

 i would not have posted anything if i did not see a pattern. but joe has a pattern of speaking out that i just don’t think helps the overall problem.
1. it is emotional. he literally went from bashing the team after the orlando game to saying it was together to bashing again.
2. he uses the write pronouns but at least in print, the “we” comes across as “they” need to work on this.
3. these loses almost always degenerate to Joe Johnson playing 1 on 3 or 4, and that is never a weakness and never reflected in post game quotes. (which is where I agree with Bret’s quote)

so i am all for vocal Joe, but it needs to be a self-aware vocal Joe that leads by example. You can talk about effort but was effort really the problem last night? if you say the same thing over and over for four years and little changes, you are either not a good leader, part of problem, or both.

and like i said in full disclosure, joe swinging back and forth on pendulum of emotion from the Orlando game to this one was all a bit annoying to me.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 2, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

While I am all for JJ taking a more active role in leading this team, I am not in favor of his spectrum-wide swings after losses and wins. He can say we all he wants but it’s because that’s the right PR thing to say in front of a mic after a game. The players and anyone with half a brain knows exactly what he’s saying. Personally, the fact that he waits until he decides he wants more money to start acting like a real leader on this team bothers me and I don’t think it’s fair to the other players who have given just as much for this team.

So, sure, if there are legit problems, then by all means call them out (the problems, not the players), otherwise this has the potential for causing a rift between himself and the rest of the team. That is something this team would not be able to overcome easily.

"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Bleeding Green Nation w/r/t fans overreacting to the Eagles signing of Michael Vick

by Jesse28 on Nov 3, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

me thinks...

I actually think that the buisness aspect of basketball is actually separate from Joe’s emotional sentiments. We’ll see how the team responds.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Nov 3, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess what i'm saying...

is that we’re playing the blame game way too early in the season and we’re looking to much into two losses. And you might can say that losses like the orlando preseason game and the lakers debacle are things that should be in the past, and everybody in the locker room knows it. So maybe everyone in the locker room feels the same way Joe does.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Nov 3, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't.....

think I got that from what Joe is saying. I think we’re seeing Joe be more vocal without railroading anyone in particular. As the season goes on I believe Joe is going to be better leader and more passionate about the team playing to their potential.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Nov 2, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

Yay!

I made an update post! I’m humbled!

by Co Co on Nov 2, 2009 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

Hate Joe's body language...

pretty much all the time. in fact, I’m not happy with the starters sitting on the bench and NOT TALKING AT ALL during the 4th quarter while the rookies and new Hawks are out there on the floor BALLING the asses off!

Props to Teague & Crawford especially! They played excellent last nite. Hawks still need a leader and it’s not Woody or Joe.

by tentenlarry on Nov 2, 2009 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

Why is JJ talking?

JJ needs to keep quite after this game.

Why doesn’t anyone call JJ out after he was hit up for 41?

Why doesn’t anyone call JJ out for putting on a show in the first quarter, and do nothing for the next three?

by axhfan on Nov 3, 2009 12:19 AM EST reply actions  

BTW

Teague most definitely needs to be played more.

Late in the third quarter and throughout the fourth, Teague was the only Hawk driving to the basket, playing tough, and trying to win. Sure, he’s not the best at defense, but none of our Point guards are.

by axhfan on Nov 3, 2009 12:24 AM EST reply actions  

Message to Joe Johnson: Shut your piehole!

Joe, you can’t say sh!t when you are firing up jumpers when you are double-teamed and not trusting your OPEN teammates. You are not a leader. Also, who believes that JJ and Brandon Roy are mirror images of themselves?? Stop. if JJ keeps this nonsense up, I’d rather see Roy in his place if EVERYONE seems to think that they are the same type of player. He’s been with Smoove all this time, so how come he hasn’t helped him with his attitude any better than he has?? Until JJ can rally his teammates better and actually play some defense (getting torched by 41???), dude needs to STFU! I actually hope that we don’t resign him and get a much better 2 guard who lets his play on the court do the talking and one who actually shows up in the playoffs.

by Hawks Fan From Day One on Nov 4, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

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