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Los Angeles Lakers 118, Atlanta Hawks 110 or on fire Joe is overrated.

Let me be clear, the Hawks should rarely win against the Lakers in LA. It would take a full team effort and at least one sensational effort. Early on, the Hawks made it clear they had no interest in giving a full team effort, but Joe Johnson was flirting with the idea of going beyond sensational.

Joe was 7-8 in the first quarter with one foul, and Mike Woodson sat him toward the end of the first quarter. You can say that Joe was not going to be enough. You can say the Lakers are better than Joe 'freaking" Johnson, but I would like the chance to prove you right. Coaches don't take out guys that hot in 9 year old church basketball. It makes no sense. Yes, he may have cooled off. Really, he had to, dude was on pace for 90 points after the first eight minutes. But why does your own coach cool him off?

The Hawks still could have won. The task was made impossible by the Hawks refusal to take care of the ball. With Joe's first quarter, the Hawks could easily have been leading this game at halftime. And the first half was not good defense. It was sloppy ball handling and bad decisions. The Hawks could not control their rebounds and then when they finally did, the team turned it over again. Oh and Joe was on the bench. You just cannot give up easy dunks and extra possessions against a good team and expect to win.

And after the halftime speeches, it only got worse. The Lakers started playing better team defense and the Hawks kept throwing it to them on the other possessions. LA had 9 dunks in the third quarter. The refs gave the Hawks no foul calls so instead of succeeding despite the no calls the Hawks settled for jump shots and complaining. The refs did not have a chance to screw LA because they just kept putting in wide open dunks.

Against good teams, it is tough to say where the supior team causes the problems or where the lesser team throws it away all on their own. Josh Smith taking jump shots, Marvin Williams missing wide open shots, 7-23 from the three point land, 19 turnovers and 25 points off those turnovers through the three quarters that matters. The Hawks lost and they should have lost, but the idiotic coaching, poor shooting, settled for jump shots, and inability to hold on to the ball made it a mess where you can blame the person you like to blame with a handful of surefire facts.

Star-divide

Loser Dots

  • Garbage time minutes are only slightly above preseason minutes in terms of good barometers (and against Jordan Farmer it becomes even less accurate), but Jeff Teague looked great.
  • That dunk though needed no barometer. It was incredible.

     

  • Josh Smith cannot, cannot look at his first two games and then at this one and not feel dirty inside. He just can't.
  • Someone needs to send Marvin to a motivational speaker.
  • Welcome back to earth Al Hoford's game.
  • Why is Kobe Bryant so good? After the ba donk a dunk by Jeff Teague, the lead down to ten, and Bob's voice rising in excitement, Artest shot a dumb long two point shot that he missed. Hawks could rebound and cut the lead to eight. Byrant fought off two Hawks for an offensive rebound and put it back up and in.
  • Jamal Crawford should never guard Kobe Bryant. 
  • Jamal Crawford will make the shots he missed on some nights.
  • Josh Smith missed a dunk. I blame his jump shots.
  • If Kobe Bryant had four called fouls in this game, he easily committed twelve.
  • Seriously, how do you take Joe Johnson out?

More later. Until then....

Go Hawks!


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Discard the 3rd quarter

If we could only discard the 3rd quarter of atrociousness, we’d see that they played better on the road than they have in a long time. Kobe is freakin awesome and you can’t do much about that, but Luke Walton. Seriously? If you’re going to let Kobe go for 40, everyone else has to be shut down. Ron Artest will now be referred to in my household as a serial rapist. He molested Joe on more than one occassion. I’m sure his breath stunk to high heaven and Joe wanted no parts of that. There was no ball movement to speak of and our front court sucked a$$. With the exception of Joe Smith, who hard-fouled every chance he got. Hard-fouling is always the way to go when you’re down 20 points. Even after this debacle, I’m still semi-encouraged. Go Hawks!!

by dstdeelite on Nov 2, 2009 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

how...

do you take out a man on pace for 80? I didnt see anybody in huddle, down 12 in the third, be a leader and help the coach out by bringing the team together with veteran leadership. There was too many lazy passes and lazy dribbling.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Nov 2, 2009 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

Sounds like a typical Hawks road game vs a quality opponent from the last few years. I’m glad it was on too late for me to watch.

by redwards95 on Nov 2, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

1st qtr was high caliber hawks b-ball

Then the Hawks came down to earth. After the 1st qtr I thought I was going to see a Joe Johnson 45-50pt game. But then champs turned up their game and the Hawks didn’t have another level. It was like the Lakers told them you can’t play this good so stop it….and they did. I didn’t expect a win in LA I do think the Hawks will handle them when the come to Atl……one good thing our 2nd unit can score and keep us in games

by Cmart34 on Nov 2, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

Big problem with Woody

How in the world can one coach just not get it? He has no ability to determine how to ride the wave of a hot player. He is so in love with his rotations and substitutions that he seems too stubborn to allow for any deviation from the plan. We saw it with Flip, we saw it any time Acie got anything working, we saw it last night with Joe. I think Woody does some really good things, but the bad things leave you in shock at how ridiculous things get.

Only reasons I can fathom as to why JJ got the seat:
1. Joe asked to take a rest. Very unlikely.
2. Woody is a big Laker fan.
3. Woody is trying to damage his off-season value.

I haven’t read any post-game Woodyisms yet, but I am pretty sure he’ll say something like “I probably should have left Joe in…” That’s one thing Woodson excels at: the post-game second guess. It’s become the equivalent of the Dan Reeves “we didn’t execute”.

Opportunity lost. On to the next game.

by Duff_Man on Nov 2, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

Anyone else bothered

with Shelden actually providing good numbers at Boston?

by coachkcastellon on Nov 2, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought we should have tried to sign him...

so not really. Joe Smith and Zaza are a solid duo.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 2, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I personally could do without his 2pts and 4rebs.

Fair trade to not have to look at his oddly shaped head.

by Duff_Man on Nov 2, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

not bothered

But good to see him get with a team and contribute

by Cmart34 on Nov 2, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I bothered?

No. It was the system he was placed in here in Atlanta. Ask me if I’m bothered by the fact that Woody is still our coach……

by Hawks Fan From Day One on Nov 4, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Hawks vs. Lakers

AKA, the Return of Bad Josh

by Bronn on Nov 2, 2009 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

yeah there were a couple of bad shots

They weren’t as bad as they were last year….but he’s just not a threat away from the rim…..he doesn’t have the mechanics for a good jump shot

by Cmart34 on Nov 2, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

man i stayed up all night for this

granted other then the 3rd quarter it was an ok game

by Erihury on Nov 2, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

I feel like Joe had really, really impressive first quarters like this last season, but every time he sucked for the rest of the game.

by acie4mvp on Nov 2, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

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