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Josh Smith, humanitarian.

How impressive was this win? Not impressive. How good was it? Very good.

In the first half, the Hawks played bad defense. Jamal Crawford played horrible defense...by Mike Bibby's standards, and the Knicks played well. But how bad was the Hawks offense in the first half? If you are having trouble figuring it out, I would like to point you to the second half as exhibit number one.

Josh Smith

Every game where good Josh Smith comes to play is a victory for all people everywhere. I honestly feel like it is making the world a better place. At the very least, petty crime is decreasing. Josh Smith took three jump shots. Two of those were spite filled chunks of rage, but even on a shot foot, the guy went 10-15 from the field and grabbed 12 boards. I am telling you, the world is a better place. I am not even locking my doors anymore.

I cannot quite convince myself this Josh Smith is here to stay, but a move in the third quarter, where Josh got the ball with about six seconds to go, he sat wide open for a long jumper. To be honest, he probably should have taken the shot, but he didn't. He didn't take it. This coming to awareness is like Einhorn and Finkel without all the vomiting.

Al Horford

The Knicks apparently have no interest in guarding the screen and roll. Fine. Good really. Al Horford and Mike Bibby says thank you. And so I say this knowing other teams actually have some interest in defending it, but can we run that play more. I am not one to think Al Horford is in a position to get easy baskets whenever he wants them, but I do think his size, speed, and skill should get a few easy baskets every game. Horford and Josh Smith are made for the pick and rolls. God is borderline pissed we are not using them for their created purpose, and now that the good Lord gave us the Knicks to make it obvious, He is going to turn bad Josh Smith back on if we don't do it more.

Marvin Williams

In know way do I think Marvin has regressed, but he is certainly lost. And the old adage, "don't mess with what is working" only sounds good when things are working. Because when things stop working and Marvin Williams is crying in the corner unable to shoot the ball, we are going to say I wish we did something to carve out Marv's role on the team.

Star-divide

"We can wear a team down with our depth and our athleticism, and the way we're able to switch we can kind of stop a lot of plays being ran," Smith said. "We didn't play our best basketball, so we had to turn it around in the second half and we did."

Either Josh Smith is giving a lot of credit to Mo Evans or in context, there was heavy emphasis on athleticism.

Coming off a bunch of rest, the elevated play of the front line in the second half, and getting a full day off today with little travel makes the starters' huge minutes defensible but not non-worrisome.

Victory Bullets

  • But for reals, Horford and Smith played great games.                                                                             
  • Nique thinks every shot Joe Johnson takes is a tough shot, especially when he makes it. I am starting to think that is not a compliment.
  • Maybe Maurice Evans is planning on opting out of his contract after all.
  • From Posting and Toasting "Speaking of which, watching Jamal Crawford from the opponent's perspective is still a wild experience. The feeling is identical, yet opposite. Instead of lamenting his shot selection but celebrating his improbable buckets, I found myself celebrating his shot selection but lamenting his improbable buckets. He can be positively infuriating in either light. I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Jamal Crawford. Soft in the sense of compassion, but also soft in the sense of aortic decay. He's that kind of player."
  • Apparently, drilling jumpers and finding the open, cutting guy is not that that exciting, because I could not really think of anything to write about Mike Bibby except he was awesome and "more please."
  • I honestly thought Gallinari ended with 30 something points. Those were a loud 12.
  • Al Harrington just looks unhealthy.
  • For at least the third time this season, Joe Johnson made me aplogize to the television screen with a strong second half.
  • But seriously, learn to pass out of the double team.
  • Randolph Morris and Jeff Teague need not be on the same rotational plan.
  • If the Hawks ever start holding to the loose balls, they are going to have five more turnovers and rebounds a game. Everyone on the team grows lobster claws when they see an unconstrained ball bouncing around. 

Go Hawks!

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Smoove and Horf

Beasts!!!

"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Bleeding Green Nation w/r/t fans overreacting to the Eagles signing of Michael Vick

by Jesse28 on Nov 12, 2009 7:42 AM EST reply actions  

Laughing out loud at the AH paragraph.

“LOL” cannot suffice for how funny that was.

by rbubp on Nov 12, 2009 8:28 AM EST reply actions  

“Nique thinks every shot Joe Johnson takes is a tough shot, especially when he makes it. I am starting to think that is not a compliment. "

Me too.

by Co Co on Nov 12, 2009 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

Might be a planned strategy

Last year in the playoffs, Joe was criticized for not taking over games.Well, he passed out of double teams and his team mates did not make plays. This season, it looks like Joe is making a conscious effort to be more aggressive even when he is double teamed- especially when the double team is not agressive .. Looks like it is working.

by dkrib on Nov 12, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

How is it working?

He’s actually been fairly awful

by acie4mvp on Nov 12, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

There's nothing

wrong with being aggressive, but when your teammates have it going and you do not, you need to pass out of the double/triple/quadruple team. Joe needs to work on that.

by Co Co on Nov 12, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

Comon Co Co

You cant have it both ways. I am sure you were one of those complaining that Joe did not show up in the playoffs. Shooting 8 for 19 is not bad at all. Yes he struggled in the 1st half, but he made up for it in the 2nd half. That is part of the learning process. He has to learn how to make adjustments when he gets double/triple/quadruple teamed.
The great players know how to get their points regardless of whether they are double/triple/quadruple teamed. If Joe wants to be like them, he has to learn how to adjust his game based on the strategy of the other team. Passing immediately after you see a double team coming is not the best strategy everytime especially if the opponent rotates very well.

by dkrib on Nov 12, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

but refusing to pass out of a double team when you’re 1-7 and the guys around you are 3-4 4-6 and etc is not a good strategy.

by Co Co on Nov 12, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Please please please Co Co

If you “ti vo”d the game, go and watch from the 5th minute of the first quarter..The following happened in subsequent possessions.
Joe is doubled and passes to Marvin – BALL STOLEN
Joe is doubled and passes to Al Horford – HORFORD MISSES THE LAYUP
Joe is doubled and passes to Marvin – MISSES THE OPEN 3 POINTER
Joe is doubled and passes to Josh Smith – MISSES THE LAYUP

by dkrib on Nov 12, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right

He should not pass out of a double team because his teammates are going to miss.

by Co Co on Nov 12, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you seriously arguing

that the best thing for the offense is for JJ to force shots against double-teams?

by Bronn on Nov 12, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Clarification

Thats not what i am saying…What i am saying is that sometimes, Joe has got to learn how to score on double teams ESPECIALLY if the double team is soft.i.e. The second guy does not come to him agressively…That is what happened yesterday. Please look at my initial comment. I also said if the opponent is rotating very well, that nullifies the advantage Joe has on passing out of soft double teams.

by dkrib on Nov 12, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Additionally

Most teams strategy is to get the ball out of Joe’ hand. So dont you think he is playing to the other teams strategy by passing immeiately he sees a double team coming?

by dkrib on Nov 12, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Dkrib, do you have a chart for passes to Crawford?

You’re using one really small sample, and what you say may have merit, but I have seen far too many refusals to pass for anything other than desperation—like in the 3rd last night when he clearly could not get off a shot after jumping to he mid-air flipped it to MW, who then missed a spot-up 2—to believe your case unless a lot more evidence is offered.

by rbubp on Nov 12, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The Knicks don't

rotate well or at all on defense. They give up like 200 points per game, so that argument does not apply. And 3 of Joe’s 4 turnovers including the one you mentioned were bad pass turnovers. It’s really nice of you to point out everyone else’s flaws from the night and just ignore the things Joe did horribly. You can point to Josh Smith and Al Horford misses til you’re blue in the face, but Joe missed over half of his shots as well. All I’m saying is we can’t criticize the other players when they play poorly and just overlook it when it happens to Joe. He takes bad shots at times. Dribbling for 20 seconds and still taking a highly contested jumper is a bad shot even if it goes in.

by Co Co on Nov 12, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

And...

Josh Smith was 10-15 last night, I think, and Horford was, what, 9-16 or something? Josh Smith has not attempted a 3 all year and is scoring 15 pts a game on TEN SHOTS pg. TEN.

JJ was 8-19, of course, and got more shots than anyone else, as he always does. If JJ got ten shots a game he’d average about 9 PPG. But you can’t get paid averaging 9 PPG, can you? Better jack it up!!!

by rbubp on Nov 12, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Since when

does “showing up for the playoffs” mean taking terrible shots and ball-hogging? I can see taking a shot with three guys on you when you’re driving to the basket and they’ve all collapsed, but JJ (obviously a mediocre finisher at the rim) takes jump shots when he has been doubled and tripled down on.

It honestly appears that JJ thinks “team leadership” is the same as “give me the rock and let me go.” And, I have to say, what else could the mentality be for a guy who took boatloads of money to go from a playoff team to a bottom-dweller so he could be the star of the show? Now that he has done what the Hawks needed been the go-to guy while the other parts matured/were assembled, he thinks he is still on a 20-win team. He doesn’t seem to get the difference between leading a talented group and leading a weak one.

by rbubp on Nov 12, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This

When this team had less talent then I could see letting JJ work his way through a double team, but to not do so now when the talent has immensely increased over the last few years is just plain bad basketball. In fact, I’m really starting to lean toward what rbubp has mentioned, in that it may very well be possible that JJ does not know how to play with a talented group of players at the same time. That’s sad because he could be a much more effective player if he would let the others take some of the heat off him for a while.

"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Bleeding Green Nation w/r/t fans overreacting to the Eagles signing of Michael Vick

by Jesse28 on Nov 12, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

no need to

When your logic if full of phail.

"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Bleeding Green Nation w/r/t fans overreacting to the Eagles signing of Michael Vick

by Jesse28 on Nov 12, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

not Joe

your superstar has to keep attacking…that’s his role even if he’s not making the shot keep the def focused on you

by Cmart34 on Nov 12, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

At the very least, petty crime is decreasing.

Except for steals…zing!

by The Beard on Nov 12, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

Where's Jeff teague?

Where’d he go? Did the hawks lose him some kinda way? Is there an extensive search for the point guard lost in the proverbial wooded glen known as the bench? Maybe Coach Woodson’s got a secret, hiding teague until the most opportune time!

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Nov 12, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

Josh??

I don’t know what to say….last year I was singing his praises in the beginning “this was his yr..etc” then he went backwards. I remember being in Phillips during the playoffs and fans started booing Smoove over wack jump shot. This yr his handles have gotten solid and he can change direction quickly enough to get away from the DEF and he lays it up keeps his body under control to avoid getting hurt…and gets the AND 1……I LOVE IT…..that’s what I thought Marvin was going to do…..if Marvin doesn’t start showing some signs of life his name will be mentioned in some trades…

by Cmart34 on Nov 12, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

I can't load Marvin into the Trade Machine

At least until Dec 15. Blah. Was looking to see if it would work for someone like Bobby Simmons.

by Duff_Man on Nov 12, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Mo Evans really going to opt out?

I’m not following if this is a joke. We need him, esp. with the puppy Marvin who lost his way.

by coachkcastellon on Nov 12, 2009 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

Wouldn't suprise me

I’ve noticed on TV several times this year Mo look upset when he’s pulled after only 5-10 mins on the court. He looks ready to jump ship, at least at this point in the season. Hopefully not, but we got awhile before that becomes an issue. Marvin’s been the biggest disappointment to me in this early season too, but perhaps not altogether unsuprising. It’s not uncommon for players to regress after getting paid, i.e. Josh(although the ankle injury was probably the main culprit), Zaza on the Hawks alone.

Which leads me to wonder, how do players consistently play better in contract years than other years? I mean, the players would love to win every game they ever play, right? I gotta assume it’s an offseason preparation thing, right?

by dmortone on Nov 12, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve noticed on TV several times this year Mo look upset when he’s pulled after only 5-10 mins on the court. He looks ready to jump ship

Hell, who wouldn’t with Woody at the helm?

by acie4mvp on Nov 12, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

it was kind of a joke

but his contract is a player option for next year. you want to go for your multi year deals when your stock is highest. whether that is next year when the salary cap is dropping and lots of big names will gobble up contenders’ money remains to be seen.

by hawksdawgs on Nov 12, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Mo ALWAYS looks upset when he doesn't get adequate PT...

sotry of his career…..it’s nothing new _

At least Marvin showed up when we needed him to the most….against Melo. Hopefully he can have a momentary lapse in “funk” for tomorrows game in Beantown. If not, Double-P will eat us alive…

by Ariose on Nov 12, 2009 6:52 PM EST reply actions  

All I know is this.

The HAWKS need a signature win in Prime Time against a Top Level team. At some point they need an identity, that the national media can expose to fans league wide. This in turn should inspire the team to bring it’s A game every night, because it’s expected by the opponents. “Confidence is built on the fears of your opponent.”

" MR.24 "

by ctu24 on Nov 13, 2009 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

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