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Atlanta Hawks 114, New York Knicks 101 or Al Horford only cares about the second half

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So that turned good in a hurry. The crusify list was long with two minute to go in the first half. My short list included Woodson, Joe, Horford, and Harrington. Two quarters later I couldn't care less about Harrington, Joe Johnson raced his way to near 50% shooting from the field, Horford requested game mvp honors, and Woodson only had one or two small gripes to his name.

Hawks fans are so use to knowing what kind of game it is going to be after two quarters, it makes this one is all kinds of confusing. The copy and paste button is pissed. The "after going down big, the Hawks forced shots and failed to have the energy to get stops on the defensive end" won't work. The "finally taking the lead in the second half, the Hawks had nothing left to keep it" clearly did not happen. And the Hawks "dominating a lesser opponent only to let up in the second half and let "x" back in" just does not fit. I am not even talking stereotypical loses. The Hawks are starting to defy stereotypical wins.

Overall, I can't put my finger yet on why, but tonight, I can. The starting front court had 47 points, 21 rebounds, 4 steals, 3 blocks, and 7 assists. Any team in the league is not ok with those numbers, they are ecstatic. Those are Christmas list numbers.

The Hawks did everything they were suppose to do, it just happened over two quarters instead of four. It is tough to project offensive strategies from a Knicks game and a few defensive weaknesses were on display, but when the Knicks luck ran out and the Hawks focus came in, they did what they needed to do to win, and now, the next step is doing it without three starters playing 40 plus minutes.

Go Hawks!

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A couple minor gripes

1. Woody has trust issues. I understand not over-playing the rookie, but Teague has to demand at least 5-10 minutes to see what he can do. His speed is such that he can run circles around most guards. If he screws up, pull him, but we definitely need to get him some reps. We have depth and now we’re not going to use it?

2. JJ is awful out of double teams. I don’t know where he lost it, but he really needs to find an open guy, or perhaps a teammate needs to get to an open spot (like Mo Evans did ONCE).

3. Our pick and roll only works with Jamal or Bibby. Joe is not very good at it. I hate saying that, but it seems to be the case.

4. Going under picks doesn’t work against teams like this. Please stop doing it.

Otherwise, I saw a lot of resolve in the Hawks that we did not see in other years. It was a great win on the road. Nothing could be better than sitting at 6-2 right now.

by Duff_Man on Nov 11, 2009 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

What I saw

I saw Smooth being Smooth. Can anybody argue that he kept us in the game till his teamates came alive? Is it to early to say the kid has gone to another level? Just an observation – he sucked in th laker 3rd qt and the bobcat game was not his best. The rest of the season he kicked butt. Game changer or game loser – like you mentioned – the hawks go as Smooth goes.

by RivBoatGambler on Nov 11, 2009 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

ps Bibby was awesome - still no reason for JJ to give up a few minutes to let the kid play.

yep I said it, JJ minutes, Not Evans, not Jamal, not Bibby, have mercy how times have changes. Can Woody change with them.

by RivBoatGambler on Nov 11, 2009 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

On the bright side.

The hidden gift from tonights game was the assits. 23 of em. Yeah I know,“Steve Nash”can do that by his self. But these are the so called 1on1, “Let me do it by myself.”HAWKS. 21 of these were from the starters. That means some chemistry is being mixed in the Lab. As for JJ. He finished second on the team with +18 in the +/- stats, which shows a players worth while in the game. So I hope Joe doesn’t read tonights Game Thread, while folks were dogging him on suspicion of dogging it.We sure need that plus 18 for the “Celtics” GO HAWKS!

" MR.24 "

by ctu24 on Nov 11, 2009 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

+/- is contextual, not definitive

You rely on that one at your own risk. What would be more important would be to determine how much of the +18 is directly related to his contributions. Without also relating other contributions from the player, +/- becomes a very poor indicator of a players worth on the court. Ask Josh Smith about his many poor +/-’s when he scored 20/10/5/3 and more.

"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Bleeding Green Nation w/r/t fans overreacting to the Eagles signing of Michael Vick

by Jesse28 on Nov 12, 2009 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a young season, and I like it so far.

..but I have lingering, nagging concerns. Jamal Crawford is beginning to express, as seen tonight, the double-standard frustrations with Mr. Joe Johnson. And here, at the PF spot, we have Mr. Josh Smith being touted by none other than our current blogger as an All-Star candidate. But look at the numbers: JS is the same—EXCEPT HE GETS FAR FEWER SHOTS. So far he generates about the same output in less opportunity.

Which is not a knock on Smoove, neigh, it is a testament to his improved efficiency. But I wonder how long this double-standard can last. It works well enough for 6-2, but how long til people get sick of Joe Johnson’s act? I’ve barely watched any games and I’M already sick of it.

I can’t imagine what it must be like to be on the team and have to put up with getting bitched out for the very thing that the bitcher is more guilty of than any other.

by rbubp on Nov 11, 2009 11:47 PM EST reply actions  

I know what you mean...

…Dont spit in the wind if you cant duck out the way.

" MR.24 "

by ctu24 on Nov 11, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

What did I miss?

Did Jamal say something? Are we reading too much into this whole thing? What were the commentators for New York saying about the situation?

by dstdeelite on Nov 12, 2009 12:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not sure

Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford are aware they aren’t competing against each other. They almost never pass the ball to one another. I’m gonna track this situation. :)

by Co Co on Nov 11, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

I can't believe we are making an....

issue between JJ and JC. There is no issue other than they need to mesh. 8 games is nothing for 2 players who dominate the basketball to find a common ground. That is common for new players on new teams (look at Cle) . JJ and JC need each other to win. Statistics doesn’t enhance either player at this point in their careers. If JJ can get the Hawks into the Eastern Conf. Finals avg. his 20 or evn at 19 ppg, that will mean a bigger payday than him avg. 25-26 points per game and the Hawks losing in the 1st round. And the same for JC. He’s avg 20 points before but no post season success. He has an expiring contract next season, so if he can shake that loser label, he will improve his value also. The bigger issue to me is how to get Marvin more incorporated into the offense and the why is the spacing on the offensive end still flawed with the starters. Now I’m not sure how much of that is JJ not properly assessing where the help is coming from or if Josh and or Marvin are not in a good position to receive the pass from JJ. I would think once the help comes to JJ he should be able to pass to Josh or Marvin, who can drive/pass depending on the rotation and still have Bibby on the opposite side of JJ for the extra pass for an open shot. I think JJ is playing the same as last season. Going into tonight’s game compared to last season, his minutes were down, FG% up, 3FG% down, rebounding up, and assists were down from last season.

by xavip on Nov 12, 2009 1:26 AM EST reply actions  

The flip side

Everyone else seems to have “meshed” with JC before the season started. That’s what preseason is for, so what’s taking JJ so long to do what the younger ones have done so easily? It could be possible that JJ is struggling with the fact that he isn’t the only option anymore, that he no longer represents the Hawks singularly.

"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Bleeding Green Nation w/r/t fans overreacting to the Eagles signing of Michael Vick

by Jesse28 on Nov 12, 2009 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Well Marvin has not looked comfortable at all and and the players you are referring to that have meshed,

have meshed, Josh, Horford, and Bibby are players who don’t dominate the ball. So it’s easier I would think for a player of that type to make the necessary adjustments.

by xavip on Nov 12, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

w/r/t Marvin

I don’t think it’s comfort level moreso than it’s the fact that just about anyway you slice it, he’s the fifth option on the floor unless he’s playing with strictly the two-deeps.

"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Bleeding Green Nation w/r/t fans overreacting to the Eagles signing of Michael Vick

by Jesse28 on Nov 12, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not trying to make an issue

 between JC and JJ. It’s kinda hard not to notice them blatantly ignoring each other on the offensive end though.

by Co Co on Nov 12, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking back

Did I miss something tonight? Josh had 12 rebounds – 4 assists – 2 steals and 22 points.
Somebody tell me Smooth is not the team MVP. Kid is kicking butt. Before tonight he led the entire NBA in blocked shots. A true hoop fan would be smart to remember these games and tell their kids about the good ol days.

by RivBoatGambler on Nov 12, 2009 2:30 AM EST reply actions  

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