Preseason Game Thread #7: Atlanta Hawks @ Orlando Magic
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 7:00 PM EDT
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Atlanta Hawks at Orlando Magic, Oct 23, 2009 8:00 PM EDT
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| Probable starters: | ||
| Mike Bibby | PG | Jameer Nelson |
| Joe Johnson | SG | Vince Carter |
| Marvin Williams | SF | Mickael Pietrus |
| Josh Smith | PF | Rashard Lewis |
| Al Horford | C | Dwight Howard |
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Blogging with the enemy: Third Quarter Collapse
From here on out, the Hawks are on television. Amen and amen. I love you Steve Holman, but that is a good feeling. So far radio has been a doozy to figure out how to DVR.
Tonight's game against the Magic will still be fake, but starter should play more minutes and the quality of the opponent even if it is just 2nd unit vs. 2 unit will be the highest the Hawks have seen so far. Maybe it is the opponent, maybe it is the closeness to the regular season, might just be the tv coverage, but this one just feels a little more real.
Looking forward to the action myself. I will be in out of the game thread and all are welcome. So settle in for a Friday night event (me), make it a pregame activity, or DVR the thing and watch it later, but join us in the game thread for all the pregame, in game, and post game musings.
The season is almost here. Go Hawks!
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I'm nervous
I’m nervous about this game for two reasons:
1. We don’t play well on the road.
2. We don’t play well on national tv.
Either way we’re losers in this matchup because if we win, the media will say it’s just a preseason game. If we lose, they’ll say we aren’t ready to stomp with the big dogs. I’m just excited to finally get to see JC in action. I hope he doesn’t disappoint.
by dstdeelite on Oct 23, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hawks dont play bad
they just lose.
but i agree. this is a zero win game. but it is preseason so you can’t get too upset. i just want to see jeff teague. espn is espn for a rookie. preseason or not.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
joe smith out tonight
no reason to play meaningless back to back via twitter.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bill simmons nba preview
i usually love the guy, but he once again managed to write 20,000 words on the upcoming nba season while barely mentioning the hawks.
all he really got in there was a small dig on jj and a less than flattering projection for our boys.
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if it aint nyc, boston, or la
simmons does not know what he is talking about.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the firs ttime I've seen it
So I have to say that I love the Horford beard.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
zaza-esque
that is like having real bits of panther
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like that shot
from hubie brown.
he has already messed up three player names and said he likes a josh smith jump shot.
preseason for all of us.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mediot talking point #1
Hawks need a center to move Horford down to the 4.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
true, but if josh and marvin hit the boards a bit more, it may be an advantage in other aspects to have al at the 5.
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carter too.. remember that shot on Smith last year
by supraman on Oct 23, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for that.
had not cried in a while.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never leave your feet to pass.
5th grade fundamentals.
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
vince vs. turk
this team will be pretty damn good. as much as vc was a pain in the ass for toronto, and hedo had a great year, carter is still an upgrade for the magic.
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a "wait and see" situation.
Vince is all flash and no substance. His teammates have historically hated him.
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, but i still cringe thinking about that vc buzzer beater last year.
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait and see
let’s pray Josh plays as bad as Vince.
by RivBoatGambler on Oct 23, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it is "effortless" when carter shoots
ironic? yes.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pachula?
hubie needs to learn how to say zaza’s name
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why can't Stan Van Gundy coach the Hawks?
by supraman on Oct 23, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Gundy just needs a little more skullett and they would be twins. That is too funny.
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Bleeding Green Nation w/r/t fans overreacting to the Eagles signing of Michael Vick
by Jesse28 on Oct 26, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…or anyone who runs an offensive play other than “give it to joe and stand around.”
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
23% shooting
that is on open shots. no good.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is it bad that i am ok with josh smith
going 1-2
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
vince v. jj
contracts aside, who would you rather have?
i’m pretty sure it’s jj, but this may be close if vince actually gets his act together and tries while playing for a conteder.
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JJ. I don't want Vince on my team.
No guys who quit on an entire team and city. I don’t care how many he can score.
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson and Carter have accounted for 25 of Orlando’s 33 thus far.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawks are playing possum. Not that I have any evidence, at all, for this, but I like pretending that they’re not really playing, as opposed to thinking that Orlando can dominate them so easy.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
preseason – let’s just hope for no injuries.
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is the ultimate fan game
try to avoid being optimistic the whole time. totally freak out at the first bad sign.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Vince is smart."
And we know that because he skipped a Toronto playoff game to sit at graduation.
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don’t want to sound like a vc apologist, but i think he’s gone from wildly overrated to a bit underrated
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His career high point
Was winning a dunk contest.
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is more the mo evans i know and love
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now I want Zaza to turn around
and drop it into the other hoop from there…like that video below.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let’s hope the hawks 2008/09 shooting wasn’t a fluke (i think some national writer, maybe hollinger, made that case)
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bret, at hoopinion.com, has loudly and repeatedly made that case.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i buy a few of those
bibby down, mo down, crawford no better, but i think marvin stays the same or up. joe same or up. josh maybe down but less important with less shots taken.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I can see why he said it
But if you force a double team right under the basket, how can it be “too much dribbling” ?
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like when hubie brown
mumbles disapproval.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawks problems thus far:
2 point FG%
3 point FG%
2 point FG% defense
3 point FG% defense
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, here's the list what isn't a problem:
9 free throw attempts.
The rest could use some work.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yikes, was it 2004 zaza was the starter?
great backup – a problem if he’s going 35 minutes
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gortat is "very friendly"
so he is going to be good. sweet.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, but does he own a restaurant in midtown?
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for real
gortat needs to check himself.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gortat
how much $ did he get.
zaza was a deal with about the same skill set (and fun eastern european personality)
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if gortat
could keep his numbers as a starter would have been great. but paying that to backup the best center in the game? ugh.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
0 shotblocking?
horford had a decent number last year.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And Josh Smith
has something of reputation as well.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
has bibby blocked a shot since middle school?
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
those battles
with Tyronne Lue add up.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. He did.
95 to be exact. Up 20 from the previous year.
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm giving credit to Horford for sparking this run
I think he’s got 6 of the last 8 points?
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i give credit to horford
for most good things related to his team.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure how marvin did not get fouled there
and really not sure how Jameer Nelson didn’t.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Howard backs down, shoves Al out of the way,
lays it in. And yells “AND 1”??
Yeah…can’t wait for those old refs to get back. Geez.
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Back to the VC bashing
I hate when VC makes a basket and has that dumbass look on his face. Almost like “Am I awesome or what?”
by dstdeelite on Oct 23, 2009 8:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
bibby was just guarding howard
for more than one second. i swear i saw it.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Offensive rebounding from Josh Smith
thank you.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
rebounding would make up for so many josh smith sins
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he takes too much heat for being an a-hole…in his interviews he is pretty personable
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think that's quite accurate
It’s his immaturity that we dislike, and largely in his on-court demeanor and his style of play.
I’ve always been impressed in his interviews by just how intelligent he is, and his ability to communicate what he knows. But actually following through with his comments would also help a great deal.
But in a lot of ways, he’s impressively intelligent for a man who skipped college.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just think a lot of the national nba media/fans unfairly think of him.
i loved his interview with nbatv.
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randolph Morris was on the bench for that AAU team
And that, my friends, is when something went horribly, inexplicably, wrong…
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
randolph morris
is the mike williams/maurice clarret of the nba.
went pro then went back to college. never good.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
randolph morris and talent
did i just here those inthe same sentence?
aside from height, that is.
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If every there was a case AGAINST High Def
This game by the Hawks is it.
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
does this game seem frenzied to anyone else? i feel like there are not even any half court sets.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
umm, woddy is stil the coach, right. we don’t do half court sets
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but there arent even any joe isos.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
josh smith cant hit FTs
this is very bad.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
josh at the line
this is bad – how does he seem to get worse? that’s not supposed to happen
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lack of practice.
He should be shooting thousands of FTs every day. I am 100% sure he doesn’t.
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m bothered by the fact that JJ doesn’t seem to anticipate the double EVERY time he catches it.
You’d think we’d actually have an advantage in those situations since we’re a perimeter oriented team, but it’s not turned out so well.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I’m actually impressed by the form on that last Josh Smith jumper. But still, in principle, no.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no thinking
is it really no thinking with Josh? maybe Zaza should run at Josh on offense.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thinking.
That sums up Smith’s whole game a lot of nights.
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as soon as hawk passes to him in jump shooting position
they should run at him to keep the thinking to a minimum.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh seems like a pretty good guy
Bronn, just to be clear, I don’t think smoove is an a-hole (in fact, quite the opposite)
i’m just pretty sure most nba fans who don’t really follow the hawks like we do, think he is a petulant dick. i suppose he does act that way on the court sometimes, but he also know how to give an interview and is probably a pretty good guy.
did you see that adidas spot?
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will say this.
I have seen Smith (on a few occasions) absolutely quit when he wasn’t getting his way in a game.
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just not sure if that's really how he's seen nationally
I’ve never really heard anyone say anything bad about him. Most of his harshest critics are Hawks fans, and most of us know enough to realize that he’s a good kid.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By bad
I mean, that he’s a bad person. There’s the continuing perception of a rift between him and Woodson…but nobody is saying he’s uncoachable or a jerk.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree. but i’m still convinced (from reading guys on espn, si, foxsports, and others including my dad up in ct), that he has a bad reputation.
he may not be a steve nash, but he isn’t marbury either.
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If one team isn't going to miss
I can’t watch this mess.
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hubie brown is an idiot
the hawks are playing bad and the magic cant miss from outside. that is all.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and i just got mad
this is becoming bad coaching.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
give me jeff teague or give me death!
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wake me when he's back in.
I changed to a Monty Python documentary on IFCHD.
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hubie Brown
Likes that they isolated Joe Johnson.
He should really watch some more of this team.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it is as if he says everything exactly
opposite from me.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think zaza can guard howard
i thought he couldnt, but now i am sure.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm also certain
Hubie Brown can’t pronounce Pachulia.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You failed to mention McSmiles was in as well!
by Duff_Man on Oct 23, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that fade away on dwight
that blocked by howard’s elbow might have been the highlight of the night.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bibby against the nelson
might be one of his worst match ups. dude can drive and hit the three.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need the sharp-shooter…a perfect transition to the teague era (i hope)
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dwight Howard is a better player than Randolph Morris
This is an example of the insights you gain from preseason basketball.
by Bronn on Oct 23, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it’s probably time to give up on this one and wait for the regular season.
too bad the hawks meet/greet is on a sunday this year (last year’s thing at edgewood was pretty fun)
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it must have happened in the 2nd quarter
by dkrib on Oct 23, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawks PR man says he is fine.
but he might be blowing smoke.
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not kdding... he tried to give it a go in the third quarter but could not
by dkrib on Oct 23, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i hate to hear that.
we need more depth in the fontcourt (i love joe, but collins is pretty worthless)
by hawksgate on Oct 23, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suprise!
Crawford has some bad shot selection
by dmortone on Oct 23, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
can we break 80
2 and half minutes to go!
by hawksdawgs on Oct 23, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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