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Spurs 95 Hawks 89

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Team Poss Off Eff eFG% FT Rate OR% TO%
ATL 88.5 1.01 50.6 14.3 9.8 11.3
SA 88.5 1.07 50.6 19.0 39.5 19.2

Let's start with the positives as I think there were some last night. Going semi-chronologically...

  • Al Horford's defensive performance in the first-half. He did a creditable job on Tim Duncan, didn't commit a foul (which is more important than it really should be due to a certain company policy), blocked three shots, and, most impressively to me, twice, when caught on a switch guarding Tony Parker, Horford did not let Parker get past him and create offense for either himself or a Spur teammate.
  • If I'm going to give Joe Johnson grief* on the nights he struggles, I must give him credit on the nights he's exceptional. He was exceptional last night. 29 points on just 20 shots, 6 assists against just 2 turnovers, 2 steals, and 2 blocks.
  • Acie Law IV played an excellent (Grading a curve? Sure, but this guy needs to catch a break.) 2nd quarter and wasn't bad in his brief second half appearance. That he made an appearance in the second half is probably achievement enough to be noted.
  • Flip Murray played very well on both ends of the court. 17 points on 10 shots. 3 assists against a single turnover. 4 steals and 2 blocks and a few more deflections.

*Said grief stems more from the franchise investing two first-round draft picks and a max contract to build around the fourth-best playeron a legitimately good team thus seriously limiting their potential even before accounting for Billy Knight completely screwed up the 2003 and 2005 drafts and various free agent blunders.

Now, as one would expect when talking about a loss, there's a flip side to that coin.

  • Al Horford really struggled to make positive plays when he caught the ball with his back to the basket when guarded by either Duncan or Fabricio Oberto. Each of Al's three traveling violations were legit calls. This are of his game is a work in progress probably due in part to him receiving the ball in the post with his back to the basket about eight times a week.
  • Speaking of someone who's limited because he's never been given the opportunity to develop his post-up game to the degree necessary even though he's in his fifth year in the league and has conclusively proven to be a terrible jump shooter: Josh Smith had another bad game. I'm not entirely clear why, on a night when his shot selection wasn't especially poor* he played just 24 minutes whereas the night before in Houston he took bad shots regularly and constantly and played 35 minutes but, as has well been established, I'm neither the coach nor one who understands the inner-workings of  his mind very well.
  • Smith couldn't even demonstrate team-leading selfish petulance last night. Horford and Mike Bibby win that particular self-destructive race for their concurrent technical fouls earned  for arguing a Horford personal foul that gave San Antonio nothing more than a side out-of-bounds with the Hawks down 3 with 3:27 left in the game. Manu Ginobili converted both free thows. Tim Duncan made a basket on the San Antonio possession and the two Hawks had turned a two-possession game into a three-possession game.
  • Even though Acie Law and Flip Murray both played well last night, Law still played much better without Murray on the floor.
Min +/-
Law & Murray 12:06 +4
Law w/o Murray 3:55 +7
Murray w/o Law 13:54 -1
  • The Hawks' defensive rebounding is degenerating from poor to laughably bad.
  • Watching Gregg Popovich get quality minutes from both Matt Bonner (the ginger Horry?) and rookie point guard George Hill provided a glimpse at how the other half of fandom gets to live. Not that the average amount of purposeful ball- and player-movement in a San Antonio offensive possession doesn't engender a hideous amount of jealousy on its own.

*I've got him with just one jump shot attempted though his attempted spin move in the post which ended up with him behind the backboard attempting a lean-back scoop shot then complaining that a foul wasn't called rather than getting back on defense immediately made enough of an impression to inspire the lead-in to the bullet to which this note refers.

Bibby on his technical:

"I didn't really say anything. If saying 'Come on, man,' deserves a tech, then I deserved the tech. I've heard a lot worse get told to people and (they've) not got a tech.''

Horford on his technical:

"I said 'What happened?' to Mike because I didn't know what was going on. You've got a tight game going on - a great game - and you're going to blow it up doing that?''

I obviously don't know what either player said, but Horford leaves unmentioned that he began pulling faces the moment he was whistled for the foul.

Joe Johnson's assessment of the game does nothing to engender confidence:

"They set the tempo early and made it clear that they were going to go after every loose ball. They played like they wanted this game. And we’re running out there with no energy, like we don’t even want to be out there.”

That's just super. Had he included the difference in talent and coaching between the two teams he'd have hit the Spurs > Hawks trifecta.

Woodson's account of the pre-game is the true, bang-your-head-against-the-wall quote of the night:

“One of the things we talked about at our pregame meeting was that we had to come out and rebound against this team, or it would be a long night. We have to have all five guys rebounding. That’s the only way we have a legitimate shot at winning.”

Once more...

Team OR% DR%
ATL 9.8 60.5
SA 39.5 90.2

In other breaking it's-the-players'-fault news:

“We’ve got to be mentally tougher in terms of doing the things we’re supposed to do. Because when I can watch film and we come out of a timeout and don’t execute the things we’ve been taught to do, I know we’ve had some slippage.”

For what it's worth, Gregg Popovich's assessment of the game differs from Joe Johnson's:

"Both teams were really dragging, neither were really sharp."

Charley Rosen breaks the game down almost exclusively from the San Antonio perspective. His one real note regarding the Hawks agrees with my own take on the technical fouls, so I'll quote it.

Even when the Hawks made their late-game move, the Spurs never lost their poise. The same cannot be said about the young Hawks: On one damaging sequence with the Spurs margin once again reduced to three points, Horford and Mike Bibby barked too loudly at the refs over a foul that Horford had clearly committed and were assessed technical fouls. Ginobili calmly bagged both freebies — and the Hawks final rallies were always two critical points short.

Both Rosen and Kelly Dwyer mention that Bruce Bowen is not what he once was defensively. True, but credit to Bowen for blowing up the play the Hawks attempted to run out of a timeout with 32 seconds left. Bowen bothered Joe Johnson when Johnson received the ball, forced him away from the basket, and forced Johnson to pick up his dribble and pass the ball to Flip Murray. Murray did well to get to the rim but couldn't finish in the presence of Tim Duncan. The Spurs made their free throws and the game was over.

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You know what would have been great

towards the end of the game? A timeout. Why the hell can’t he manage timeouts better? I mean do you really need to call a timeout to set up the Joe Johnson iso play? They should know that one by heart. Everytime the ball goes out of bounds and there’s less than ten seconds left it seems like he uses a timeout. And, using the last timeout with something like 32 seconds left down by three was questionable to me. Does Woody not trust Mike and Joe enough to think they can come down and run a play without his drawing one up? Seriously, the fact that they can’t manage a simple in bounds play with little time on the shot clock without the direction of the coach says a lot about either the players or the coach. Or both.

by Co Co on Dec 11, 2008 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Another note on Acie

All of those 3:55 that Acie played without Murray were with the starting unit on the floor. Murray subbed out as Smith had two free throws coming in the second quarter and Williams came in, so we had Law, Johnson, Williams, Smith, and Horford as our floor combo.

This actually was a cause for celebration (for me, at least) as you expected, following the 2007 draft, we’d eventually see a good deal of this line-up. Acie was a big part of this line-up’s +7 as he was very active on defense and actually played with the ball in his hands (gasp!). The only unfortunate part of Acie’s performance is that it doesn’t seem like he’s hit a jumpshot since preseason.

I can’t really hold any fault with Flip last night as it was one of those rare nights where he was an unequivocal positive off the bench for us.

by Bronn on Dec 11, 2008 1:01 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I need to go back and look at Acie's college stats

assuming I still have them around somewhere. I remember him being an excellent jump shooter (though not one you’d project to have three-point range in the NBA) at A&M though I may be putting too much weight on a certain corner three he hit over Brandon Rush in Allen Fieldhouse.

by Hoopinion on Dec 11, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Found them

YEAR 2PT/3PT 3PTA%
FR 38.7/21.6 21.1
SO 49.3/38.4 22.2
JR 44.8/33 25
SR 51/45.8 33.3

apologies for the quality of formatting

by Hoopinion on Dec 11, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

on the joe signing

i certainly think joe is now better than the fourth best player on not just a contending team but on a championship team. Joe would have been third best on the Celtics last year.

also, you have to remember atlanta could not get free agents to even look here. blame that partially on ownership but when you have Samuel Dalenbert turning you down without even barely a look. joe may not of been worth what the hawks paid but you had to pay an Atlanta premium. and that premium has not cost us any other free agents yet.

today, i think we could get a free agent or two without the ATL premium. and while i am down on hawks basketball at the moment. another playoff run will be a good first step for a franchise that went eight without one.

by hawksdawgs on Dec 11, 2008 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

We could certainly argue

for a long and ultimately painful time about which mistake most seriously stalled and/or limited the franchise’s ability to build a championship-caliber team.

Lest I come off as more negative than normal: Joe Johnson is a better now than when he was with Phoenix. I don’t think there’s any question about that. I still don’t believe he was worth the cost but that doesn’t mean I don’t think he’s a good player and had the various other front office blunders not occurred, the extra cost they paid for Johnson might be a complete non-issue.

by Hoopinion on Dec 11, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

If we're talking about...

Mistakes that set the franchise back, I can’t see how you would point out the 2005 error that BK made and avoid pointing out the 2006 draft.

In 2005 BK made a huge error, but it was one that many others would have made as Marvin was lauded as a future franchise player and there were serious concerns about Chris Paul’s offensive ability prior to the draft. At least in Marvin he’s got a player who’s been serviceable and now, in his fourth season, is turning into a legitimate asset.

In 2006 we took a man who couldn’t be a quality reserve for a bad Atlanta team, and barely ever sees the floor for another really bad team in Sacramento. We refused to look at probable all-star Brandon Roy or future all-star Rudy Gay (i’m assuming), among others. We took one of the least useful first round talents in a weak draft, and we did it with the fifth overall pick, without even considering trading down. Even at the bottom of the first round, you see names like Marcus Williams, Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, Jordan Farmar, Sergio Rodriguez, Josh Boone…Shelden went so far ahead of these guys it’s laughable.

Our second round pick in that same draft was also misused, but even that player seems to have developed into a more useful reserve than the fifth overall pick. Basically, if we’d come out of that draft with Leon Powe and Paul Millsap, two players drafted very late, we’d have had a far far more sucessful draft.

by Bronn on Dec 11, 2008 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

If I didn’t mention the 2006 Draft, I certainly intended to as it constitutes a greater debacle than not taking a point guard and/or trading down in 2005.

by Hoopinion on Dec 11, 2008 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

These game recaps are excellent, especially when I don’t get to see the game in question. Much enjoyed.

http://nbaroundtable.wordpress.com/

by NBR on Dec 12, 2008 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

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