Game Thread #7: Atlanta @ Boston, November 12th
Atlanta Hawks at Boston Celtics, Nov 12, 2008 7:30 PM EST
WHO: Atlanta (6-0) at Boston (7-1)
WHEN: 7:30pm
WHERE: SportSouth, Hawks Radio Network, NBA Audio League Pass
Injury Report: Josh Smith is out.
For Entertainment Purposes Only: Boston -11, 181.5 o/u
Blogging With the Enemy: CelticsBlog
- The Hawks are of the opinion that their perfect start (the imperfection of a Josh Smith injury notwithstanding) has its roots in their first-round playoff loss to the Celtics.
Joe Johnson:
"That series is where this confidence began. That series has done so much, starting with the confidence, but also because we were humbled in the end, it let us know we can play with the best. That’s why we have this chip on our shoulder right now. It’s made us come out aggressive this year from the start."
Zaza Pachulia:
"I’d just like to win one game up there. They’re a great team. But we came so close in that series. If we could have just pulled one game out on their floor, we’d have shocked the world."
Mike Woodson:
"I just think about how they were able to get it done from beginning to end. They had three guys, and still have those three guys in Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, those three great players that carried them. But make no mistake about it, their defense is what won that title. They refused to give in from a defensive standpoint, and I’m talking about every single step of the way. People that don’t understand that aren’t really examining that team and what they did the way they should."
Maybe the underlying problem is that Mike Woodson hangs out with the few people that didn't recognize and give credit to the Celtics for being the best defensive team in the league. I don't think anyone was writing stories or talking about the Celtics winning 66 games because of their offense.
Mike Fratello also buys this premise:
"They played that seven-game series against the eventual world champions. Guys go home and think about it in the offseason and say, ‘This is fun. This is what it’s supposed to be about. Let’s come back with that same type of commitment.’ That’s the case with Atlanta, and I think you see the results of that now."
- Marty Burns addresses the same theme at SI.com:
Seven months after shocking the NBA by extending the Celtics to seven games in the first round of the playoffs last season, the Hawks have used the memory of that near-miss to fuel a 6-0 start that had them sitting alone atop the Eastern Conference heading into Wednesday night's rematch against the reigning champions in Boston.
Burns also includes this quote from Mike Woodson:
"From Day One, in exhibition season, [Boston] took pride in defending and rebounding, and it carried over to the regular season. That's why they were the best team in the regular season."
It all comes back to the importance of exhibition games for Coach Woodson.
- SI.com's roundtable votes 3-2 against "buying" the Hawks. Chris Mannix falls back on the tired idea of Josh Smith as a "powder keg waiting to explode," Steve Aschburner strains to elaborate on the question's financial metaphor, and Marty Burns gives a hedge of an answer that I read as tipping ever so slightly to the negative. Ian Thomsen and Jack McCallum are on the bandwagon.
- At Idolator, Lucas Jensen takes a circuitous path to posting this classic Hawks video but I feel the trip is worth it.
- CoCo cracks me up:
Nothing would please me more than for the Hawks to win in the Garden, or whatever the hell it's called tonight.
- John Hollinger (Insider) believes "there is a 99.1 percent chance that the Hawks are a good team."
If the Hawks were an average team and played an average schedule over the first six games (Atlanta's schedule was probably more difficult than average, but just play along with me here), the odds of their winning six straight, when four of the six are on the road, would be just 0.9 percent...As for the idea that they'll go 31-51, as some crackpot said before the season started -- well, that can be dismissed even more readily. Using the same assumptions as above, there is only a 0.17 percent chance that a 31-win team could pull off such a feat in its first six games.
- Finally, from Hardwood Paroxysm's 15 footer:
What if the Hawks beat the Celtics tonight?
Think about it. You would be looking at an undefeated team that will have beaten Toronto, Philadelphia, Orlando, New Orleans, and Boston, and be on a three game winning streak without Josh Smith. Beating up the Clippers twice and a Mavs team they own it ain't. That's a schedule that stands with anyone.
What do we do at that point? Panic? Buy high, sell low? Build altars? Throw keggers? Paint faces? Seriously, if the Hawks without their second best player beat the defending world champions on the road to remain undefeated, don't we have to have some sort of worldwide day of celebration? Bigger than Obama winning? I think so. Okay. Too far.
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I really really wish I could watch this game tonight. This is why the NBA’s TV plan is stupid. You have 6-0 vs 7-1 defending champs and no one puts that on national TV.
I saw that Idolator post this morning and got a little teary eyed. Hell I’m getting teary eyed at both the Hawks and Falcons now. It is still early granted, but for another stat how about that so far in two weeks we have won almost 20% of the games we won over the entirety of last year.
We need to see some flexibility
w/r/t Woodson’s two foul rule tonight. Terribly dumb second foul by Horford.
Seriously, I thought that the four guard look
Was limited to college hoops. What is with the small line-up?
I missed the first part of the game, so I don’t really know where Zaza is, but why can’t the Hawks play two bigs right now? This entire approach seems predicated on Ray Allen missing wide open threes, with Bibby and Mo Evans needing to knock down big shots to keep the Hawks in it.
OMG
You have ONE switch on defense, and suddenly it’s Mo Evans guarding Perkins with JJ checking KG.
This line-up is pure insanity.
I like Bob and 'Nique
but they got a little out of control there at the end. Joe Johnson got his share of calls in the last two minutes and it’s tough to make the argument that the other team won on a fortunate shooting night when you make over 60% of your threes on the road.
Hindsight is always 20/20, but I give myself a little credit for thinking about this when it happened…
On the last Boston possession, I really wanted the Hawks to just foul Rondo. It’s like when teams pull the famous Hack-a-Shaq defensive tactic to preserve leads. Rondo is a career 62% free throw shooter, so he’s better than Shaq, but the odds are good that he’d miss at least one free throw. With 7 seconds left, you’re giving a team with plenty of shooters too long to get someone open.
You can sub in West, have him hack Rondo, put their worst shooter in the line. He’s 1-4 on the night, so you’ve got a good chance that he doesn’t make both of them. After the first free throw you can substitute Mario off the floor and get your best offensive line-up in. If he misses the second free throw, you secure the rebound and you have a chance to go for a fast break basket, or you can still use your last timeout to set up a play, and you’d have more than .5 seconds to run it.
As a Celts diehard,
Just wanted to drop by and say I’ve got nothing but respect for the effort the Hawks put out tonight. Certainly, we of the green faithful learned what the Hawks could do last spring, but to see this team go on the road without Josh Smith tonight and play such effective basketball on both ends of the court was very impressive. I’m sure it’s no consolation for the way it ended (and I can’t say that I feel too bad about that, as you might imagine), but really, that’s a heckuva showing.
Joe Johnson’s performance against us in the playoffs turned him into one of my favorite (if not my single favorite) players around the league outside the C’s, and it definitely looked tonight as though the rumors of Marvin Williams’ hard work on his perimeter shooting this summer were no joke.
Can’t imagine how amped folks around here are for the rest of the season with this squad, and I’m looking forward to watching when I get a chance and checking in here at Peachtree from time to time. Keep up the good stuff, Bret and the Peachtree community.
-sw
Manuel Aristides Ramirez is the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

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